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Old 07-06-2007, 04:27 PM   #31 (permalink)
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"Endowed by their creator with inalienable rights, life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness" was written by Thomas Jefferson, the quintessential deist I believe.
Indeed it was, but it doesn't follow traditional deist beliefs.
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Old 07-07-2007, 04:23 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Yes deists have a concept of god, but it is not particular. The biggest strength among deist is their capacity to disagree and argue about the nature of god...so in this case it is not particular.

Yes deists have a concept of god, but it is not particular. The biggest strength among deist is their capacity to disagree and argue about the nature of god...so in this case it is not particular. Yes, deists believe in god based on reason and nature, but the nature of god is open. This openness is often causing for intelligent, reasonable argument. Never an argument built on blind faith, but on rational faith.

If it is built on faith, we respect that faith since the foundations were built on reason and nature. We also respect to argue that faith: destroy, built it, or come to respect it through reason.

Deism is not a form theism. IMO is most deists disavow revealed religion.

Correct me if I am wrong, but deists do not believe in “the word of god”.

We do not take that leap. Deists do believe in morals and characters that are transcendent to man himself, but not the word of god travels through books and man. Honesty, integrity, temperance, family, truth, humilit are all traits that transcend man without god. (I have to work on a few of them). These words arrive through man and not god.

What is god’s will you can ask? I do not know.

An agnostic never takes this stance, but remains neutral. This is a fair stance. Unless god come down to shake the agnostic’s hand or give him more faith than faith in eating a hamburger, the agnostic stance is a fair stance.

Deism, believes in a creator. It is not a creator of revelation, but reason. With our current reason, this creator earns faith but it is not the blind faith of theism.

I think deism is closer to atheism and agnosticism than theism.
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Old 07-07-2007, 05:48 PM   #33 (permalink)
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All this makes me wonder if deists might not be more inclined think about social issues, while an agnostic is more concerned with natural issues. Perhaps, these motivational differences are what prompt the difference in their methods.
yes and why?
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Old 07-07-2007, 07:40 PM   #34 (permalink)
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Deism is not a form theism.
Given that theology is the study of the nature of god, its attributes and related truths, I think it is safe to say deists are theists. I think an agnostic has a philosophy but a deist has a theology.
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Old 07-07-2007, 07:41 PM   #35 (permalink)
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Given that theology is the study of the nature of god, its attributes and related truths, I think it is safe to say deists are theists. I think an agnostic has a philosophy but a deist has a theology.
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Old 07-08-2007, 02:53 AM   #37 (permalink)
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well, I go back and forth between agnostic and deist, so I tend to consider myself both, kind of like agnostic theists, only agnostic deist
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Given that theology is the study of the nature of god, its attributes and related truths, I think it is safe to say deists are theists. I think an agnostic has a philosophy but a deist has a theology.
No. Theists believe in an omnipotent supernatural God. Deists believe in a natural God who doesn't interfere in the world and/or interferes little
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Theology is not the study of an omnipotent supernatural god. Theology is a study of any god or gods and their attributes. Thus a theist may hypothesize that god is not supernatural or not omnipotent. They arrive at whatever conception of god's attributes seems reasonable to them.
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Please explain your process of going back and forth between deism and agnosticism.
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