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Old 11-27-2007, 11:17 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I belive there might be a "god". I think if there is a "god" we havent come close to understanding what it might be.
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Old 12-03-2007, 06:40 AM   #22 (permalink)
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lets see im going to have to got with 4.25 was about a 3.75 when i got here but the more i look into it just doesn't make since.
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Old 12-03-2007, 08:27 AM   #23 (permalink)
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I guess according to this spectrum I'm a strong theist.


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Old 12-03-2007, 05:35 PM   #24 (permalink)
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3 through 5, depending on your definition of God.
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As we look out at the vast and magnificant cosmos around us, we seem to see a sort of order to things in that many natural laws appear to be in operation as far into time and space as we can look. Even microcosms of chaos seem to collectively produce macrocosms of harmony. One is very much tempted to attribute Intention and Design to all this, if not Purpose. Surely this can not all be just an infinite accident eternally in the process of continuous creation or cyclical rejuvenation!

But that is as far as I can go. I must simply leave it right there as a marvel and a great wonder, and speculate no further. I simply do not know. I do not believe that the human mind is capable of knowing or comprehending such Design or it's alleged Designer. Or to put it more directly, I do not believe than man can ever know whether god does or does not exist. I suppose that most just accept the existence of god on the basis of faith, and although I do not discount the validity of intuitive knowledge, I do not believe that such things can be known just by faith either. To me, that is too much akin to believing something just because it is what I want to believe.

Far, far greater intellects than my simple self could ever be have pondered and debated this for centuries. The path of history is strewn with the well-worn Teleological, Ontological and Cosmological arguments for the existence of god. But to assert that god does exist or to assert that god does not exist is to make a statement of Absolute Truth. And, evidently, my basic pre-supposition is that man can not know Absolute Truth.
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Old 01-03-2008, 06:23 PM   #27 (permalink)
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I have an issue with this type of spectrum (which is similar to the one Dawkins used in the God Delusion). I believe it mischaracterizes the true position of an agnostic.
yeah, I agree too. I know there is a god. But the word theist seems to lock my into a religion. Also, I know for me not other people.
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I know there is a god. But the word theist seems to lock my into a religion. Also, I know for me not other people.
Knowing for your self vs knowing for others is a very important distinction.

I'd consider that an extremely mature attitude...
...one which I'd like to live up to more often.
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Old 01-04-2008, 10:05 PM   #29 (permalink)
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I'm saying 4 because I am actually at a point where I fluctauate a litle between 3 and 5 and not sure whih way I will lean toward the most over time. If I lean toward a 3 at all, its based on a very liberal personal concept that I have of God- almost pantheism really. I definitley don't accept the basic concept of God that is taught in most religions.
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I'm probably somewhere between 5 and 6. If I had to guestimate, it would be about 5.9999999. I'm assuming that when you talk about the odds you are not implying that there is some way of calculating the odds. If I'm wrong, I think it would be interesting to learn how.

My expectation is that anybody who wants to affect my life based on anything related to god has the burden of proof and so far none have proved anything.
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