lauraclay

Check out daoism, naturalism, shintoism. These religions have a lot of complex rituals and other ideas, like, 'the dao', but if you've never been exposed to them, maybe you will end up agreeing with them. I'd also check out Buddhism.

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The purpose of a fish trap is to catch fish,
and when the fish are caught, the trap is forgotten.

The purpose of a rabbit snare is to catch rabbits.
When the rabbits are caught, the snare is forgotten.

The purpose of words is to convey ideas.
When the ideas are grasped, the words are forgotten.

Where can I find a man who has forgotten words?
He is the one I would like to talk to.

harleylove

Thank you Laura, I defintely will!

mister_lister

I am agnostic, by definition of the word. I do not know if there is a God. I rely on evidence. I am not a believer in God because, my criteria for belief would be evidence. I am not an atheist, my criteria for belief that there is not deity is evidence.

The whole question of deity, starts with presumption. The idea that the universe could not exist without some intelligence behind it. I suspect when asking this question of "deity" we are too influenced by our own make up and point of view, to really discern the appropriate question or the answer to that question.

Agnosticism is just another word for ignorant. I consider myself a "reasonable agnostic". I have reasoned my self in to a state of agnosticism. It actually is the natural state of a being. I started out an agnostic, became a theist, and returned to agnosticism when Theism failed.

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lauraclay

Ignorance is not knowing because you aren't aware of the information. Agnostics aren't ignorant. Well, I guess you could say that secularly, agnostics are not ignorant. Supernaturally, we just admit our ignorance. So, nevermind, I agree.

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The purpose of a fish trap is to catch fish,
and when the fish are caught, the trap is forgotten.

The purpose of a rabbit snare is to catch rabbits.
When the rabbits are caught, the snare is forgotten.

The purpose of words is to convey ideas.
When the ideas are grasped, the words are forgotten.

Where can I find a man who has forgotten words?
He is the one I would like to talk to.

sisterX

Armel sounds like you want to turn 'Agnostism' into a 'religion' with rules and regulation? What would be in your 'manifesto'?

Jellicle Tribe

I'm just an agnostic that was someone never subjected to any kind of indoctrination or brainwashing while growing up. Even though my parents are loosely Christian, I was given full rein of how my religious beliefs (or lack thereof) would pan out. This annoyed my southern baptist grandmother to no end.

I believe that many things are possible, though very few of them are probable. As for the "mystic texts" (bible and whatnots)....Stephen King writes much better books.

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lauraclay

Psh, Stephen King's novel drag on...and on....and on... Now, his short stories, amazing.

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The purpose of a fish trap is to catch fish,
and when the fish are caught, the trap is forgotten.

The purpose of a rabbit snare is to catch rabbits.
When the rabbits are caught, the snare is forgotten.

The purpose of words is to convey ideas.
When the ideas are grasped, the words are forgotten.

Where can I find a man who has forgotten words?
He is the one I would like to talk to.

Armel P

There is nothing religious about agnosticism or the way I view it. If you have not gathered that by now from what I have said and you are somehow convincing yourself that the scientific method is dogma then you are just not bright enough to converse with me. Good day.

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sisterX

Ouch, that was very catty Armel miaw miaw, lol.
You seem to have a problem with me Armel, what is it?
Is it coz I iz a theizt?
Plz dont hate me for what I believe, we all gotta live in this world we might as well get on hey?
CANT SAY I DIDNT TRY!

Peace be with you man

(Any chance you could tell me bout your manifesto? ok....shut up sisterX)

Armel P

Catty? Ok.

I have a problem with all religious people who talk about their religion as if it is as plausible if not more so than other systems of belief. I don't hate you for what you believe; I hate you for talking about it. I still believe in the freedom of religion.

The purpose of it would be to explain why agnosticism is the most logical view when compared to religion, spirituality and true atheism though ultimately I will cease to rely on the word agnosticism. There is nothing else to say about it.

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