What kind of Agnostic are you? - Page 2

Piglet · 05-11-2007, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Armel P

I have to be honest, I can't tell if you are disagreeing with me.

Armel P

Your starting post did not invite arguement.
It invited position.

I gave one. Make of it as you will.

Piglet

Maximus · 05-12-2007, 10:33 PM

Let's see.

I don't believe in the concept of right and wrong.

I don't believe in morals or ethics, they are of course only opinions of what is the benefit and negative, what can't be done etc.

I believe in God, I believe it is dark matter, and I believe nothing can exist without dark matter, therefore I believe nothing can exist without God, however I view God as a neautral entity which has no purpose but to exist and by existing keep everything else in existence.

lauraclay · 05-13-2007, 10:20 PM

For me, being agnostic means that I must have something proven to me, (scientific method) have all my questions about it answered, and be presented with a sound argument for this ideas viability before I will believe it. And I will only believe it 99%. Because, for me, agnosticism means that I am always willing to admit that there is another possibility. We don't know what we don't know.
P.S. Armel, try asking Piglet how old he is.

Piglet · 05-14-2007, 04:38 AM

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Originally Posted by lauraclay

P.S. Armel, try asking Piglet how old he is.

Laura

48 terran orbits.

Piglet

lauraclay · 05-14-2007, 08:13 PM

Hence some 4 decades of learning. I got it, I was trying to get Armel to as well.

Armel P · 05-15-2007, 11:49 AM

Get me to?

lauraclay · 05-15-2007, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Piglet
Armel P

And those conclusions are based on 4 decades of rational observation.
+ Many many thousands of work read. [some really good stories]
By a being society says is in the .05% top range, Mr smart guy. [but not really]

Yet it all brings me closer to my ignorance. [is that T S Eliot?]

There can be no 'proof of athiesm'
And any religion that has hell in it is false.

What is left Armel ?

Biding time

Piglet

PS. could you email me the symbol?
I'd like to see it.
nemesis@westnet.com.au

I have to be honest, I can't tell if you are disagreeing with me. But I will say that the logical thinking involved dates back much farther than four decades. It just was not as fashionable as it came to be in the twentieth century. I think there has been an intelligentsia, of small percentage as usual, for hundred of years that understood or would have understood these ideas and it is because of these people that he have such a grasp of the ideas now.

As for the symbol, well I can't do that yet. The symbol is highly dependent on the essay I might write on agnosticism. But this essay will also serve as a learning process for me and I may change my views as a write it. So we'll see. I may even decide that having a symbol is too childish or even that it somehow undermines the ideas. I've always hated symbology and numerology. It is nice and tasteful though.

Piglet wasn't saying there's only been intelligent thought for four decades, he was only saying he had been alive for four decades.

Armel P · 05-16-2007, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by lauraclay

Piglet wasn't saying there's only been intelligent thought for four decades, he was only saying he had been alive for four decades.

Oh, I see.

harleylove · 05-17-2007, 09:08 PM

I have to admit, after reading a lot of these posts over the last few days I am really starting to feel uneducated. I didn't know that being agnostic could be so involved. I don't study religion, have never studied and have never felt the need to. I don't feel an overwhelming need to know whether or not there is a god or feel lost or that I am missing anything.

Anway, so many of you seem so educated in other religions and beliefs I thought maybe someone could help tell me what mine is closest to. I don't believe that god is an entity and I don't believe in heaven and hell in the literal sense. God is symbolistic to me and represents everything on the earth, every living animal, the sun, moon ,water, air etc. I believe everything in it's natural form is connected including the elements. I believe in evolution. I also believe that I am in my heaven right now and for me my hell will be when I die because I won't be in my heaven anymore(but something I need to work on within myself). These aren't concrete beliefs because I do realize there is so much I don't know but for now it's what makes the most sense to me and I am always open to learn.

I've been trying to read as much as I can and I haven't seen anything like this posted. If this fits into another type of belief I would really like to explore it more if it has a name.

Thanks

harleylove · 05-18-2007, 06:30 PM

I've been doing a lot of research and from what I've read I guess the best way I could describe myself is as a pantheist. I've also read that there is an argument as to whether this is really atheism or not. Interesting...