debdodd

what makes you think this thread has become a war of the sexes??? I see it as a conversation not a battle ..... we, females and males, yin and yang, left and right ... they work together better than singularly .... don't get your underwear in such a bunch .... you, and others read too much into posts! Jeez, simmer down big guy!

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lauraclay

Without women, men would live in squalor. Without men, women would live in silence.
I mean these both figuratively, on levels that transcend the normal definitions.
And as a joke.

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Where can I find a man who has forgotten words?
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The An-Jel

I think I agree with that even if it is a joke. It isn't a war it's a union and an agreement between two people. My experience until one or the other or both become unreasonable for the other well... thats between the two of them whether to work it out or separate. I suppose I can adapt between the emotional and objectivity of the situation. I mean the emotions in all their inane calibur but the objectivity is there whether it's worth while or not. In this day and age most people unfortunately want to run unless they get what they want. Emotions usually override the communication between two people. Gay couples or straight couples to override lauraclay's joke. There unfortunately are mitigating circumstances that sometimes disrupt a relationship and thats unfortunate.

Is this suddenly turning into Oprah?

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debdodd

who's Oprah???? just kidding'

this thread is/was on emotions correct? Isn't it often hormonal issues that cause emotions to get out of control? Testosterone or estrogen ... both trigger emotional response in people.

In our medical practice when we would begin hormonal therapy for gender transition it was evident that hormones play a radical role in emotions. While I was involved in that field of medicine, it was a fascinating study in human dynamics and hormone replacement. We could most often tell when a M to F was getting to much estrogen by their behavior without correlating blood test and also with the F to M getting too much testosterone. Much/many of emotions is/are chemical based or chemically triggered and that person often has no control over the emotions triggered by that chemical reaction. Once we thought we were onto something we began a limited study on our observations in our practice patient population ... that's when we began to do blood lab work to verify our beliefs/theory that it was the hormones eliciting the emotions we observed. We never did a statistical analysis of the data but it was clear our observations of radical emotional swings were tied to much of the hormone being utilized.

I love the dynamics of women and men ... don't always understand the motives behind certain aspects but there is a reason we "fit" together anatomically. If you get the right balance in the relationship it's great if unbalanced .... nightmare.

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lauraclay

deb, you should talk more about these studies. What were the behaviorial changes you'd note?

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The purpose of a fish trap is to catch fish,
and when the fish are caught, the trap is forgotten.

The purpose of a rabbit snare is to catch rabbits.
When the rabbits are caught, the snare is forgotten.

The purpose of words is to convey ideas.
When the ideas are grasped, the words are forgotten.

Where can I find a man who has forgotten words?
He is the one I would like to talk to.

debdodd

Well .... hormonal wise ..... when we would put M to F (male to female) on hormones they would get the same symptoms that a genetic females gets premenses .... tender breasts and swelling of breast tissue, then as treatment would progress they would find themselves more "weepy" and emotionally up and down at times for no reason (per their observation, they were having no unusual stressors) you'd be surprised probably to know that after 2 years of hormonal therapy they usually get maximum breast size .... usually about a B cup, facial hair would lighten in thickness (they'd have electrolysis to get rid of the rest) and often the hair on their heads, if thinning would start to fill in more.

We had one M to F that started hormones at about 13 and she had an amazingly beautiful figure... she had more feminine rounded hips ... you know how guys hips tend to be more narrow with less butt (sorry guys ) .... anyway that's the physical changes back to hormonal ... where was I ... oh ... and the F to M (female to male) they would go thru "puberty" for lack of a better terminology, they would start of with peach fuzz on their face which then progressed to full beards and mustaches with longer treatment, they would inevitably break out with bad acne .... can't think of one case where they didn't and their voices would start to deepen .. if their testosterone was to high they tended to be overly aggressive and hyper sexual ... normally they would keep our relationship professional I was their nurse, they the patient but if their testosterone levels were up they just seemed .... I don't know how to say it except more "male" ... little sexual innuendos, kinda flirty .... once I got to know them better they would start telling me more .... they could tell I was really interested, honestly I was ... I have never thought of them as weird or freaks .... I am still friends with many of them .... anyway they would tell me that after starting testosterone ...as a female they really never had much of a sex drive but after starting the testosterone they were ...... more sexually aroused (trying to be PC here but the actual word that was used most often was horny) .. I think because i was so accepting I tended to get them open up more to me.

I used to help do the yearly pap smears on the M to F ... yes once you get a sex change you have to go thru that stuff every year. The earlier hormone treatment was started the less the guys had broad shoulders and masculine hands. It was strange at first b/c I would catch my M to F's looking me over and "checking" me out and I was like ... what the hell???? why are they looking at my boobs???? what I found out was that it was b/c they were checking me out to "see" what size they wanted to be, once they got comfortable with me they would ask what size I was so they could tell their surgeon what size breast implants they wanted .... I hadn't even thought of it from that perspective I was just seeing a guy (one who hadn't started the M to F process) checking me out and it wasn't sexual in nature like a male checks out a chick but for comparison ... they would watch my mannerisms and things like that. If they were doing something the incorrect way I would tell them .... like wearing a skirt ... this one didn't think that with sunlight you could see slightly thru it and it was like a light bulb went on .... "OH so that is why you wear a slip with a dress/skirt .... little things that girls learn growing up but that a male wouldn't.

The funniest thing that ever happened to me b/c I was so open and caring about them was one of my transsexuals ask me where I was in the transition process ... I was like what are you talking about? They thought I was going thru the change process .... I'm stunned and all I could think to say was ... I'm a genetic female who's been accused of having a set of balls .... later I thought well wait a minute .... did they thing I was an M to F or a F to M .... I never did ask them that questions but my transsexual friends thought it was hysterical!!!! I'm 5'2", petite bone structure, with blond hair down to the middle of my back so ... I can't fathom which way they thought I was going

When we would give testosterone to our male HIV patients you could tell when theirs was getting to high because they became very aggressive and bitchy .... I'd tell Dr Joe and he would kinda blow me off and I finally bugged him enough about it that he did the hormone level blood test that I ask him to ... and the guy was more than double what the normal level ... Dr Joe ask me how I knew .... and I guess that I am just really intuitive, I just absolutely "knew" his level way high, kinda the same way as I can tell if someone is gay .... the joke with my friends is that my uterus has "gay-dar" ... it's probably just because I've worked in that field for so long that I'm more in tune with body language, etc. Most of the time I loved my gay patients other than the misogynist ones!!! Nothing worse than a gay man who has major issues with women and hates all women .....

I could go on and on but I'd bore everyone else ... the one thing I'll say is this ..... there isn't one guy that could tell the difference "down there" from a genetic female and a transformed female ... so all of you that think "you'd know" ha ha ... no way! they have that surgery perfected!! waist on down no one could tell .... I've even had one who went to the ER for "female problems" she didn't tell him she had the surgery and he never knew ... I wonder how he did with anatomy class in Medical School!!! Sorry if I grossed anyone out or offended anyone but LC asked and I answered.

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Aaron

Fascinating.

debdodd

I certainly think it is .... I am so fortunate that I have an inside view of the thought process of both F to M & M to F .... there are even studies that suggest that during the time of embryo development the mother may have released hormones that affected the brain of the developing child that stimulates the area of the brain that is typically female or male .... PET scan show that women and men's brains "light up" differently during PET scan ... it truly is interesting ..... at least to me that is .....

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Aaron

You don't need a PET scan to tell you that, on an average scale, men and women think differently.

Do tou have any insight on the asexual, bisectual, transextual, homosexual mind and how they function?

debdodd

Dude, what the hell does this say???

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