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Old 12-02-2006, 04:15 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Definition of Agnostic:

1. A person who positively believes that no God(s) or Goddess(es) exists. E. Haldeman-Julius suggests that "The atheist perceives that history, in every branch of science, in the plainly observable realities of life and in the processes of common sense there is no place for the picture of a God; the idea doesn't fit in with a calmly reasoned and realistic view of life. The atheist, therefore denies the assumptions of theism because they are mere assumptions and are not proved; whereas the contrary evidences, against the idea of theism, are overwhelming." 1 This is the definition of Atheism used by most Christians, other Theists, and dictionaries of the English language.
2. A person who has no belief in a God or Goddess. Just as a newborn has no concept of a deity, some adults also have no such belief. The term "Atheist" is derived from the Greek words "a" which means "without" and "Theos" which means "God." A person can be a non-Theist by simply lacking a belief in God without actively denying God's existence. This is the definition of Atheism used by many Atheists. They use the term "strong Atheist" to refer to a person who denies the existence of one or more deities.

Some Agnostics feel that their beliefs match the second definition, and thus consider themselves to be both Atheist and an Agnostic. Such confusion is common in the field of religion. We have found 17 definitions for the term "Witch," eight for "cult," and six for the "Pagan." -- all different. A lack of clear, unambiguous definitions for religious terms is responsible for a great deal of confusion and hatred. It makes dialog between Agnostics and Theists very difficult.

An agnostic usually holds the question of the existence of God open, pending the arrival of more evidence. They are willing to change their belief if some solid evidence or logical proof is found in the future. However, some have taken the position that there is no logical way in which the existence or the non-existence of a deity can be proven.

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You missed one

3. An agnostic is one who as a mature reasoning mind. Admits that
the logical process of evolution will result in a mind/minds that can
manipulate reality to such an extent as to fulfill all the megre religious requirements of such and most of the rational requirements.
The manipulation of reality being the adjustment of the objective laws which regulate reality.
NOT. the creation af any new 'stuff' of reality.[no new mater/ energy]

Evolution REQUIRES that such beings evolve.
In 10,000 years will humans not be gods relative to our current position..?
[relative to man of 8000bc.. WE are gods]

The irony,,lol
If you truely believe in evolution.
You must also believe in the inherent result of such.

A being/ race that can alter reality..a god.

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Old 12-02-2006, 11:49 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Yea You missed #4 as well
Agnostics look for truth,but believe and "know" that an answer to the existence of god,life after death and so on CANNOT BE PROVEN,EVER! that differentiates between an agnostic and an atheist.
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THEWALRUS,

I disagree with the "EVER" part. I believe that one day we will know either way. Just not or any time soon. Right now there is just so much we don't know about the universe that there is no way we could prove it today.

But who knows, by the time we've evolved enough to actually understand the universe enough to know for sure whether there is a God out there or not we may have evolved beyond the concept of "days" all together.
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that an answer to the existence of god,life after death and so on CANNOT BE PROVEN,EVER!
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Such absolutist statements mean nothing.
The only absolute is reality.

'A' god may show up tomorrow and say 'hi!!!' to humanity.
And who here can show that this is not possible?
[as neither theism or atheism can be logically proven]

Absolute statements should only be made by fundamentalists
And usually are.

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THEWALRUS,

I disagree with the "EVER" part. I believe that one day we will know either way. Just not or any time soon. Right now there is just so much we don't know about the universe that there is no way we could prove it today.

But who knows, by the time we've evolved enough to actually understand the universe enough to know for sure whether there is a God out there or not we may have evolved beyond the concept of "days" all together.
But by you disagreeing, you thus are not fully agnostic.
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Waurus

Such absolutist statements mean nothing.
The only absolute is reality.

'A' god may show up tomorrow and say 'hi!!!' to humanity.
And who here can show that this is not possible?
[as neither theism or atheism can be logically proven]

Absolute statements should only be made by fundamentalists
And usually are.

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That statement in reality was not made by me. my friend has access to this account and me and him share it. He is a fundamentalist, I agree. And since it is actually a part of agnostic definition,
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Someone who claims that they do not know or are unable to know whether God exists.Agnostic-a person who claims that they cannot have true knowledge about the existence of God (but does not deny that God might exist)
I found those definition by typing in define:agnostic at google.com search bar. I for one believe that we can prove the existence/nonexistence of god, given time.If that makes me part atheist, I'm perfectly with with that.
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I for one believe that we can prove the existence/nonexistence of god, given time.If that makes me part atheist
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Nah.. That makes you an agnostic.
One cannot be 'part athiest'

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Ok, Im not agnostic and I can admit it.
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LOL

Ok

Imagine Piglet as a well groomed psychiatrist
You, are on his 'couch'

Tell me, where your parents 'scientologists?'

HATE, is a final word. be carefull how you weild it.

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PS

Piglet IS a true agnostic.
The 'concept of god' is just that.
One cannot prove or disprove a concept about a 'real' thing
without phenomenological support.
One cannot prove a thing exists or does not by talking about it.

In a reality 28 billion light years accross
We humans that have hardly even left out little rock.
cannot claim any phenomenological support to any concept
of 'a god'
'GOD' may be hanging out in the Hercules Cluster and how would we
know it?
We cant.. we are TOO PRIMATIVE
Does a monkey in a tree in zaire know what New york is and that it has a mayor?
It may wonder in its primate way 'why things happen' thus the concept of god is valid.

Admit it.. We RE TOO IGNORANT TO CLAIM UNDERSTANDING of anything outside our rock.
Thus the ONLY LOGICAL POSITION is agnosticism.
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