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03-29-2008, 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by kellid ...... my point about scientific research was regarding the more ridiculous for example somebody or organization in the name of science is getting a huge amount of government funds to research weather or not tomatoes cause cancer, how many times have we heard that one? and then the next year we find the old tomatoe may actually help prevent it, kind of a lame example
...... Let me ask you this can science explain where compassion and love come from? I realize some emotions have been explained through brain research like endorphines etc but what about love? have you ever loved or felt love?  | Your first point, I understand better now, I think we can blame society (ourselves) to a large extent for the apparently (maybe obviously) contradicting claims. And the funding ... when was the last time I (we) took an interest in the way science got funded and did something about it? I actually work in an industrial research facility. Now the research organizations to get funding are only as good as their track record. If the results are hidden away in some dusty journal then there is no more funding. Now if we get a "return of the killer tomatoes" .... gotcha! I have to admit I take all the nutritional fads with a pinch of salt (high blood pressure now). My concern: research is very much focussed on solving problems; not knowledge for its own sake. Today we have to have a deliverable (or at least be seen to have one).
Love? ... everyday... is there an explanation? Not complete, (probably only partially right) and never will be completely right .... job security for researchers. If you can engage Og in a discussion on brain chemistry and love... that could be interesting .... (ps which kind of love were you refering to the youthful kind or 32 years of marriage kind?)
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03-29-2008, 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by romansh Quote:
Originally Posted by kellid ...... my point about scientific research was regarding the more ridiculous for example somebody or organization in the name of science is getting a huge amount of government funds to research weather or not tomatoes cause cancer, how many times have we heard that one? and then the next year we find the old tomatoe may actually help prevent it, kind of a lame example
...... Let me ask you this can science explain where compassion and love come from? I realize some emotions have been explained through brain research like endorphines etc but what about love? have you ever loved or felt love?  | Your first point, I understand better now, I think we can blame society (ourselves) to a large extent for the apparently (maybe obviously) contradicting claims. And the funding ... when was the last time I (we) took an interest in the way science got funded and did something about it? I actually work in an industrial research facility. Now the research organizations to get funding are only as good as their track record. If the results are hidden away in some dusty journal then there is no more funding. Now if we get a "return of the killer tomatoes" .... gotcha! I have to admit I take all the nutritional fads with a pinch of salt (high blood pressure now). My concern: research is very much focussed on solving problems; not knowledge for its own sake. Today we have to have a deliverable (or at least be seen to have one).
Love? ... everyday... is there an explanation? Not complete, (probably only partially right) and never will be completely right .... job security for researchers. If you can engage Og in a discussion on brain chemistry and love... that could be interesting .... (ps which kind of love were you refering to the youthful kind or 32 years of marriage kind?) | Love is Love if you feel it or receive it who needs to explain it, just bask in the beauty of it and enjoy the giving and receiving of it. I personally think it is a precious gift that I do not believe Science can explain or needs too.  |
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03-29-2008, 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by kellid Love is Love if you feel it or receive it who needs to explain it, just bask in the beauty of it and enjoy the giving and receiving of it. I personally think it is a precious gift that I do not believe Science can explain or needs too.  | There are different kinds of love ... the hormonal love (when we are young adults) is very different to say what we experience after a couple of decades of a relationship.
What is your evidence for cannot explain?
I sort of agree with the "needs to" but do we have a fear of science demystifying our existence?
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03-29-2008, 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by romansh Quote:
Originally Posted by kellid Love is Love if you feel it or receive it who needs to explain it, just bask in the beauty of it and enjoy the giving and receiving of it. I personally think it is a precious gift that I do not believe Science can explain or needs too.  | There are different kinds of love ... the hormonal love (when we are young adults) is very different to say what we experience after a couple of decades of a relationship.
What is your evidence for cannot explain?
I sort of agree with the "needs to" but do we have a fear of science demystifying our existence? | Now see there you go pigeon holing Love. Hormonal love? what the heck is that?  Is that like a horny teenager? LOL. you cannot not categorize it. you cannot assume what someone else considers love or IMO question it. Will Science prove that a higher power does not exist? how would this happen? |
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03-29-2008, 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by kellid Now see there you go pigeon holing Love. Hormonal love? what the heck is that?  Is that like a horny teenager? LOL. you cannot not categorize it. you cannot assume what someone else considers love or IMO question it. Will Science prove that a higher power does not exist? how would this happen? | You still have an incorrect view of science (and possibly life?) In science there is no proof of anything!
Science gathers evidence, postulates a hypothesis, then we try with all our skill to demolish that hypothesis. After a respectable effort, and if the hypothesis survives, it becomes a theory. A theory is something that has failed to be disproven. But good scientists never give up.
A higher power ... higher than what, man? Do you mean beyond the reach of science. Do mean beyond comprehension? I presume you mean a deity ... just curious to what flavour of higher power are you referring?
So you don't distinguish between the love of money and that of a child.
So you don' see different kinds of love in our lives, the biblical kind, man and wife, and that behind the bicycle sheds? Or you don't characterize them?Strange...
You have not experienced hormonal love? Hmmn?
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03-29-2008, 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by romansh Quote:
Originally Posted by kellid Now see there you go pigeon holing Love. Hormonal love? what the heck is that?  Is that like a horny teenager? LOL. you cannot not categorize it. you cannot assume what someone else considers love or IMO question it. Will Science prove that a higher power does not exist? how would this happen? | You still have an incorrect view of science (and possibly life?) In science there is no proof of anything!
Science gathers evidence, postulates a hypothesis, then we try with all our skill to demolish that hypothesis. After a respectable effort, and if the hypothesis survives, it becomes a theory. A theory is something that has failed to be disproven. But good scientists never give up.
A higher power ... higher than what, man? Do you mean beyond the reach of science. Do mean beyond comprehension? I presume you mean a deity ... just curious to what flavour of higher power are you referring?
So you don't distinguish between the love of money and that of a child.
So you don' see different kinds of love in our lives, the biblical kind, man and wife, and that behind the bicycle sheds? Or you don't characterize them?Strange...
You have not experienced hormonal love? Hmmn? | You know what fascinates me about analytical nerd types.. they are the ones that are into fantasy games like dungeons and dragons etc.... it is interesting that one who claims to have a logical and analytical mind can also play a fantasy game? why is that?  |
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03-29-2008, 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by kellid You know what fascinates me about analytical nerd types.. they are the ones that are into fantasy games like dungeons and dragons etc.... it is interesting that one who claims to have a logical and analytical mind can also play a fantasy game? why is that?  | don't know never tried such games (too old) ... the real world games are interesting for me. But they are frustrating when your partner avoids giving a direct and honest answer. Now why would I find that frustrating... because I am analytical? Yes... Nerd type? I'll let others decide, for whom such monikas have a relevance.
So how is your fantasy game going or would you like to play in the real world? 
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03-29-2008, 05:49 PM
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03-29-2008, 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by romansh Quote:
Originally Posted by kellid You know what fascinates me about analytical nerd types.. they are the ones that are into fantasy games like dungeons and dragons etc.... it is interesting that one who claims to have a logical and analytical mind can also play a fantasy game? why is that?  | don't know never tried such games (too old) ... the real world games are interesting for me. But they are frustrating when your partner avoids giving a direct and honest answer. Now why would I find that frustrating... because I am analytical? Yes... Nerd type? I'll let others decide, for whom such monikas have a relevance.
So how is your fantasy game going or would you like to play in the real world?  | Sorry I didn't mean to imply that you were a analytical nerd type. Could you elaborate on what kind of questions your partner does not answer? and forgive my ingnorance but what is the analogy there?  |
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03-29-2008, 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by kellid Sorry I didn't mean to imply that you were a analytical nerd type. Could you elaborate on what kind of questions your partner does not answer? and forgive my ingnorance but what is the analogy there?  | These kind .. Quote:
A higher power ... higher than what, man? Do you mean beyond the reach of science. Do mean beyond comprehension? I presume you mean a deity ... just curious to what flavour of higher power are you referring?
So you don't distinguish between the love of money and that of a child.
So you don' see different kinds of love in our lives, the biblical kind, man and wife, and that behind the bicycle sheds? Or you don't characterize them? Strange...
You have not experienced hormonal love? Hmmn?
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