Nick Treklis

Yeah, and guess who they were more important to? You, and only you! Again it was all about you, and always will be about you. There is nothing noble or commendable about what you did.

AB517

You are right, nothing noble about it.
Doing the right thing is just doing the right thing.
I didn’t jump in front of a bus to save a kid

Just logic and a touch of love.

shadowind

emotions can lead to truth if you ask me, their not neccassarly delusional, emotion and logic can come together in some pretty cool ways.

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Nick Treklis

We're always being tested, but we don't always see it.

Morality is relative, what you see is right, I see as evil.

You used logic to achieve an ultimately illogical goal, that illogical goal being love and acceptance from your family. Lack of consciousness is why you did what you did, and why you value what you value.

Many things can lead to truth, but that doesn't mean these things aren't ultimately delusional. Eventually all delusion must be abandoned if one is to achieve enlightenment.

romansh

1) I think, I know what you mean ... but who or what is doing the testing?
2) So do you believe in a 'good' and an 'evil' ... in the absolute sense?
3) You say that emotions (love) and logic are incompatible. I would agree coming to a logical conclusion whilst in an emotional state can be difficult, it is not impossible. Or are you saying just having an emotional state we have lost the opportunity for truth? If so, can you show your evidence and logic to reach this conclusion .... unemotionally of course .... ?

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AB517

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Originally Posted by AB517
Doing the right thing is just doing the right thing.

Morality is relative, what you see is right, I see as evil.


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Originally Posted by AB517
Just logic and a touch of love.

You used logic to achieve an ultimately illogical goal, that illogical goal being love and acceptance from your family. Lack of consciousness is why you did what you did, and why you value what you value.

Well now.

This explains it ...

Nick Treklis

God

No, but more important is what one's mind sees as good and evil.

I think I already explained that more than well enough in the "Emotions" topic, but I'll give you a quick over view.

For one to get emotional about something means they believe something inherently exists.

When one begins to realize that no thing inherently exists their emotional investment in them begins to diminish.

Love is one of the deepest emotional investments found in the human species, making it the most burdensome for one who seeks enlightenment.

It's not about whether one can be logical while experiencing emotion. It's about what they value. Logic is how our brain operates, just like a computer, but that doesn't mean the individual himself is logical. It's about becoming conscious enough to apply logic at the fundamental level that allows one to attain Nirvana, which in my view is pure and wise. Anything that goes against this is evil.

Nick Treklis

Well, no, it doesn't. Not for you anyways, but it might help explain it for someone else.

Remster

Romansh

Lots of what?!

To return to your request for an unverified belief an agnostic might have, take your pick from the following list:

• That of two theories that fit the same evidence, the simpler of the two is more likely to be true.
• That of two theories that fit the same evidence, the simpler of the two is better.
• That it's rational to believe the theory for which there is the most evidence.
• That it's irrational to believe something you don't know.

Remster

AB517

No, I understand you completely.

What did I say to elicit such an emotional response from you?
I thought I was rather neutral in my post.