debdodd

You know Faith I said I wasn't going to read any more of your crap b/c all it does is get you on your soap box ... oh and a big by the way ... I'm not a man but since your bible is so male oriented I will let that one slide .... I haven't separated any of these "children" from God. They aren't children they are young adults and they have already been questioning the doctrine that their parents have been exposing them to .... they are searching .... don't you get it?

I'm not the great Satan ... these young people have not found solace in your God, they have questions and they are deep thinkers .... they think, they want answers, they want knowledge ... I'm not telling them to believe anything .. if you call encouraging them to explore, read, discuss what ever their questions might be then guilty as charged but they have already prayed for guidance from your god and apparently they got no answer .....? You may have found comfort in your God but they haven't ... so leave them alone to find out on their own without your rhetoric. You can only tell them the same old crap they hear at church and they aren't buying it any more. They either will come back to your God or they won't, but you and your evangelizing isn't going to make them come back to the fold ... it's only going to convince them to turn and run even faster. Faith ... do you have any kids?

Faith

"They aren't children they are young adults and they have already been questioning the doctrine that their parents have been exposing them to .... they are searching .... don't you get it?"

We are children to God. Age doesn't matter, we are his children and he is our Father. Not all of us accept that. What are they searching for? Even better, what are they searching with? Their eyes. What can your eyes tell you but what you see. And it's obvious seeing doesn't help because we see God's creation everywhere, the rainbow, which is such an obvious sign, and we ignore its actual meaning. Scientists say, "reflections from the sun", no, why must you take purpouse from everything? Everything God made, and has placed for us to remember his promises and His Son's sacrifice for us, has all been eclipsed of its meaning.

You see the things that God has made and his signs to remind us of his promise and you say, "Where proof?" That's a foolish question. You still only look with your eyes and not your heart. You ask me to show you mathematicaly and scientifcaly not realising the stupidity of asking me to do that. You want proof, look, search with your heart and stop trying to trap me and look for yourself. If you can see all this and still be unaware of God's presence, then you have not even looked. Look with your heart, and then your eyes will show you whats truely there, not just the physical elements you see that all men see.

debdodd

Buddy ..... let me tell you something .... I look around and I do see all the wonders around us ..... the majestic mountains ..... the smell of the salt air ... listening to bird song .... I see and hear all that is around us .... I see all the beauty around us ..... and I've seen the ugly .... more ugly than you will ever see or ever imagine .... your god allows children to be raped, starved, or even abandoned on a hillside just because they are born female. You spout off about all of god's beautiful creations .... and ignore the ugliness around us. He is your father not mine.

These young adults are more worldly than you know .... they are educated, smart kids and you trivialize their intelligence with your gobbly gook ... they don't want to hear you tell them to "look around at all the beautiful things he's created" ... hell faith, they're young not blind! They see this world and it's not thru those rose colored glasses of yours ... I don't ask you to prove anything to me ... as for mathmatics .... hell I have trouble with simple math ... science .... anything other than medical science, biological and I'm lost ... I can't even explain how electricity works. No one needs you to prove anything to them on this forum but you keep coming back over and over again with your same old tired BS. Do you think that by converting a few souls back to your God you'll make up for those 9 sins you broke?

Faith, this is not a personal attact on you but I have to ask ... what sins did you commit that you've assigned yourself the task of saving forum participants? Is this your pentance for your sins. I think you have so much guilt from your past transgressions that you are trying to buy yourself into heaven. You hope that if you convert enough non believers or borderline believers that it will absolve you from your past? You told me before that out of the 10 sins you've broken 9 ..... hmmmmmm .... I wonder which one is the only one you didn't break? Stealing? coveting thy neighbors wife? killing? You have to much passion in you to be your run of the mill bible thumper .... your past is your past .... stop trying to make all of us pay for your sins by making us read your tiresome rhetoric. These young people don't want their families cramming Jesus, God, Allah or anyone else down their throats and you're doing the same thing.

You didn't answer if you had kids or not but if you do/did you would know the worst way to converse with a young adult is to be a know it all. They are at a point in their life where they have to find their own idenity .... not the one you are trying to force on them.

Og

This is unacceptable to post here faith. Make sure you spell "separating" correctly next time you want to deliver a childish blind rant directed by some evil ignorance inside of you.

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Og

Faith. You are "Seeing" with your "heart" which is how you have been blinded to do the work of Satan. It's the way you've been convinced to do evil and think you're doing good.

"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction." -Blaise Pascal

Seeing is done with the eyes. Thinking is done with the brain. Compassion exists in your mind with your consciousness, not in your gut. These are all figures of speech. But just like with your idol that you call God, you've taken these figurative ideas and converted them into concrete images and completely missed the point.

Seeing is only seeing to you if it sees what you see. This is called myopia and ignorance. There are other perspectives and life paths out there. Your way is NOT the only way. That is just fact. Continue to rail against the world. Then one day, you die, just like everyone else. You, Faith, are a tool of Satan. Nothing else can be said about it. It's clear for anyone who sees and isn't cowering in their mind afraid to use the controls to truly experience the world.

Faith, your head continues to be buried deep in the sand. Your talents are buried there with you. You stagnate as an individual and I pity you. Nothing anyone can say will change it and your heart has solidified into a rock. So continue to yell and scream about the pain you feel inside. I, and others, continue to tap your shoulder as we sit in the Garden with the Lord. We'll continue to tap and continue to feel that all is well because, in the end, you've been there all along. It's just that your eyes were closed and you painted a horrific scene on the inside of your eye lids..

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You & I, no distinction. - Tat Tvam Asi
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Nora54

"If anyone should cause one of these little ones to lose their faith in me, it would have been better for that person to have a large millstone tied around his neck and be drowned in the deep sea. How terrible for the world that there are things that make people lost their faith! Such things will always happen-but how terrible for the one who causes them!" - Faith

Faith, isn't it unchristianlike to condemn others like that? doesn't your god preach tolerance and peace? also, i love how people pick and choose bible verses to compliment their cause. i'm not going to throw any back at you because, honestly, what would that solve? i find your narrowmindedness to be astounding.

"You may have found comfort in your God but they haven't ... so leave them alone to find out on their own without your rhetoric. You can only tell them the same old crap they hear at church and they aren't buying it any more. They either will come back to your God or they won't, but you and your evangelizing isn't going to make them come back to the fold" - debdodd

she's right, faith. so please, save your breath. it's only going to frustrate you to continue to try to "bring me back to the fold." it's been tried before.

"There are other perspectives and life paths out there. Your way is NOT the only way. That is just fact." - Og

exactly.

debdodd

Hey Nora! Cool reply! I see you "get it" ... you'll do fine ... just take little steps towards the truth and everything will come together for you. Like I told you before it's the journey not the destination .... I see you've met Og, jaej and of course ... faith .... glad you saw thru the hyperbole he spouts.

I wish for more eager young minds like yours ... my generation is leaving you guys one screwed up world ... please be kind when you put us in our nursing homes .... LOL Deb

Nora54

thanks, Deb, i appreciate it!

Faith

God created the beauty, he created the sun, the moon, the mountains, the birds, and he has given us so many signs of his existence. And you say you have seen the ugly and that God allows these ugly things to happen? Ok, I want to ask you something. Who made the weapons, the guns, the bombs, the tanks and all these other evil things, and who decides to use them? Man makes the weapons, man pulls the triggers, men rape the women, man steals, man murders.

WE ourselves are responsible for all the ugliness you see. God made everything beautiful, God made us good, "God saw all that he had made, and it was very good". Who is using what God made good, evil? Us, men and women. God gives us eyes, and what do alot of people do with them? He gave us ears, and we listen to everyone but him. "Who told you that you were naked?" "What is this you have done?" Take responsibility for your own actions and stop blaming God for them.

God did not make us this way, we are this way because we could not listen from the beginning, and still don't. You have said am i doing this to somehow try to "buy" my way into heaven. You can't "buy" yourself into heaven. All these religious things I and other people do, are nothing compared to faith. If you remember, Paul called himself, "The hebrew of hebrews", and he said many others things to make himself seem higher than everyone else. He thought that living a life trying to do good works could actualy get him into heaven and that it was pleasing God. But when Jesus spoke to him, all of this changed. When he realised all he was doing to follow the law, and not know Christ, he was destroyed inside. Only faith is pleasing to God. For example: Genesis 5:21-24-. "When Enoch had lived 65 years, he became the father of Methuselah, Enoch walked with God 300 years and had other sons and daughters. Altogether, Enoch lived 365 years. Enoch walked with God; then he was no more, because God took him away."

All but one of the brief biographies in chapter 5 end with the words, "And then he died." Enoch did not die, he "was no more, because God took him away." In Hebrews 11:1-6 notice what it says about faith:

1 Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see.

2 This is what the ancients were commended for.

3 By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God's command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible.

4 By faith Abel offered God a better sacrifice than Cain did. By faith he was commended as a righteous man, when God spoke well of his offerings. And by faith he still speaks, even though he is dead.

5 By faith Enoch was taken from this life, so that he did not experience death; he could not be found, because God had taken him away. For before he was taken, he was commended as one who pleased God.

6 And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who eanrestly seek him.

Nora54

but, according to christianity, god gave people free will.

so, according to you, god pretty much shot himself in the foot on that one.