professional replies trump all

to_hobbes · 12-30-2007, 01:47 PM

I'm new here, so please forgive me if this topic is redundant.

I just posted my first reply to a thread titled "answer me this non believers" obviously posted by some missionary. When I started reading the responses to the question, I was dismayed to see the number angry reactionary responses given to that post. Keep in mind, most of these missionary types have never even bothered listening to real, common-sense counter arguments. I posted my response, but I'm afraid this person stopped paying attention to the thread and I really hope he/she reads what I said.

Please, lets responses to any missionaries with courtesy and clear thinking. Most of their "arguments" are so cliche, that we could practically copy and paste pre-written counter-arguments to them. It doesn't help at all to respond with sarcastic, angry rhetoric.

This person probably talks with his/her church friends saying, "I post at the agnostic forum, and those guys are so reactionary. They don't even try to listen to God's message."

Lets prove that person wrong by good example.

AB517 · 12-30-2007, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by to_hobbes

I'm new here, so please forgive me if this topic is redundant.

I just posted my first reply to a thread titled "answer me this non believers" obviously posted by some missionary. When I started reading the responses to the question, I was dismayed to see the number angry reactionary responses given to that post. Keep in mind, most of these missionary types have never even bothered listening to real, common-sense counter arguments. I posted my response, but I'm afraid this person stopped paying attention to the thread and I really hope he/she reads what I said.

Please, lets responses to any missionaries with courtesy and clear thinking. Most of their "arguments" are so cliche, that we could practically copy and paste pre-written counter-arguments to them. It doesn't help at all to respond with sarcastic, angry rhetoric.

This person probably talks with his/her church friends saying, "I post at the agnostic forum, and those guys are so reactionary. They don't even try to listen to God's message."

Lets prove that person wrong by good example.

I am guilty.

I did put a smile face at bottom to show that I was messing around though.

romansh · 12-30-2007, 03:04 PM

I'm guilty too

though in everyone's defence
I believe MAYBE and his boy wonder are not Christian.
I think most agnostics and atheists are more Christian than MAYBE.
MAYBE was just playing a game to see how many people he get incensed.
Did a good job

Notice MAYBE was recently banned?

**Skepticologist** · 12-30-2007, 08:19 PM

If you think it's important to play nice with fundies, then please knock yourself out.

I, for one, since leaving christianity specifically, and organized religion in general, behind some 15 years ago, have come to believe that religion does more harm than good.

While acknowledging the good that it does through its food banks, urban ministries and other "compassionate conservative" initiatives, I also realize that the religious right is primarily responsible for a political and social neanderthal like George W. Bush having been in power as the leader of the free world for the past 7 years, and that is patently inexcusable.

Why do you think that responses to these fundie martyrs who come here so that they can suffer an appropriate degree of persecution and go limping back to their folds wearing a red, or at least somewhat deep pink, badge of courage, could just as well be cut and pasted from numerous such posts going back several years? It's because they've abdicated their ability to think critically to one of numerous evangelical leaders, many of whom have recently been revealed to be morally bankrupt, and adopted their anti-social philosophies lock stock and barrel (a metaphor that assault-weapon-toting NRA fundamentalists can surely relate to).

I've attempted to reason with them on this and other similar forums for at least a couple of years, and found that it's impossible. You may read some of my posts and conclude that I'm equally entrenched in my anti-religious beliefs. But the difference is that I don't consider it a sin or a betrayal of my beliefs to consider a different point of view.

duck · 12-30-2007, 08:59 PM

Guilty as charged.

In my own defense, however, I will say that I get tired of being a target for those wanting missionary point towards their own salvation. You have identified yourself as a noob, and by doing so I think you don't particularly understand just how many self righteous, bible thumping, salvation in the lord types we get here trying to do nothing else than share the good news with us.

Then, invariably, it is the "you are going to hell if you don't repent and seek salvation in the lord!!!" Or, the ever famous "only a fool can't see that the bible is right!"

It may not be the professional attitude that you would use (and I'm with Skepticologist, knock yourself out

) but the really obnoxious ones like the OP in this thread are very, very tiresome.

Katnip89 · 12-30-2007, 09:34 PM

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This person probably talks with his/her church friends saying, "I post at the agnostic forum, and those guys are so reactionary. They don't even try to listen to God's message."

Lets prove that person wrong by good example.

I agree to your entire statement. I think it is ridiculous when some people claim to be agnostic when they are closed minded individuals themselves. Some of my personal agnostic views are such:

Just try to be open minded.
Nobody is perfect no matter who's book of lies they try to believe in.
Be true to yourself above all.
Never sacrafice what you believe in for any reason whatsoever, because your beliefs and views are some of the strongest part of your being.
Don't let people bring you down with their oppressive ways, They are just closed minded and dumb.

Most of all, Research. If you don't know ask, look it up online, or impress somebody and actually pick up a book!

Here's article, straight out of the horse's mouth for some Religious minds to think about:

If you do want to believe in something, why not research it. Would you just blindly stumble into a situation on a moment's notice? Hell no, so why would some people jump into a religion like that? I think it's because of our screwed up society preaching about " oh you need a god to believe in" . Excuse me but, WTF ? why would that be? The greatest minds in the world were Believers in the truth. Icarus, Gallelio(sp), Plato, Aristotle, Socrates, Newton, Ohm . . . .just to name a few. They weren't believers in some David Copperfield in the sky. Why might you ask? because how can you honestly tell me there is "GOD" when you can't even prove the Bible wasn't written by a bunch of looneys. I think I've given Christian's enough to mull over this "new" information for the time being. And yes, Please Reply if you are religious, I'd love to hear your ridiculous lies yence again.

**WilliamBlue** · 12-31-2007, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by to_hobbes

I'm new here, so please forgive me if this topic is redundant.

I just posted my first reply to a thread titled "answer me this non believers" obviously posted by some missionary. When I started reading the responses to the question, I was dismayed to see the number angry reactionary responses given to that post. Keep in mind, most of these missionary types have never even bothered listening to real, common-sense counter arguments. I posted my response, but I'm afraid this person stopped paying attention to the thread and I really hope he/she reads what I said.

Please, lets responses to any missionaries with courtesy and clear thinking. Most of their "arguments" are so cliche, that we could practically copy and paste pre-written counter-arguments to them. It doesn't help at all to respond with sarcastic, angry rhetoric.

This person probably talks with his/her church friends saying, "I post at the agnostic forum, and those guys are so reactionary. They don't even try to listen to God's message."

Guilty, posted my reasons here; http://www.agnosticforums.com/evolut...html#post22351
Had enough of the preaching, you seem to think that being agnostic means you are looking for the right religion which is not true of myself. Sure I have my ideas but no proof whatsoever and thus remain agnostic. I am not searching for a new religion, although I do like to hear about the different types that people have evolved. If you wish to tell me about your religion, fine, but don't tell me yours is right and there is no other way, then you are preaching.

I lump all fundamentalist in to one group, whether they be muslim, christian or any other religion, they are all insane.

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Originally Posted by to_hobbes

Lets prove that person wrong by good example.

No thanks, waste of time.

AB517 · 12-31-2007, 08:03 PM

Good post Hobbs

Way to take responsibility guys.

I will try harder.
But alias, sometimes I get my mouth and my anus mixed up and talk out of the wrong end.

Thanks again Hobbs for the reminder.

Dunno · 12-31-2007, 08:47 PM

You should never apologise for waht you say unless you don't mean it.
My rule of thumb was from John Wayne. A real man never apologises because a real man sticke behinds what he does or say
If you were joking and put a smilie face then why would you feel the need to apologise.

Lector and I got into it because of a joke he made about Death to America
if he would have put a smilie there I probably would have let it go

So anyhow
Happy New Year all

romansh · 12-31-2007, 09:12 PM

That's probably why nobody actually apologized (including you?)
The people here just accepted responsibility.

All the best for the coming year.