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Old 12-27-2007, 05:20 PM   #21 (permalink)
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there must be a god after all
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Old 12-30-2007, 01:27 PM   #22 (permalink)
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if the bible is not inspired of God how did a man living over 3000 years ago know this

Isaiah 40:22 He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth,
and its people are like grasshoppers.


this was a time when people thought the earth was flat

and don't give me the earth is technically a sphere non-nonsense, a man living at that time would have translated what he saw in a vision as best he could especially since there is no word for sphere in hebrew


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Isaiah 40:22 is not evidence that the bible is divine.

For thousands of years, even at the time of the old testament, people have submitted theories of the nature of the world around them. Some are way off, some are pretty close. If one ancient philosopher guessed that the earth is a "circle", then people thousands of years later would say, "hey, he turned out to be right". And anyone else who guessed otherwise would simply be ignored. You, on the other hand, don't merely say "he turned out to be right", you instead say, "hey, god must have told him the right answer."

In other words, in the bible, lots of people make guesses about how things are and assert these guesses as divine truth. Some of the guesses turned out to be right, some of them didn't. But none of it is divine. Don't just favor the guesses that turn out to be right and claim its evidence of divine influence.

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Furthermore, the earth casts a circular shadow on the moon when it's eclipsed by the earth. This was aristotle's basis for a spherical earth when he put forward the geocentric universe theory. This was nothing new as greeks had calculated the circumference of the earth with great accuracy back about 2500 years ago.

The spheres of the heavens with a spherical earth at the center has been a basic mythological concept for all of recorded history.

Point is that there was no divine inspiration or guess work. The concept of a spherical earth can be drawn from many observables (and was drawn as such by many non-hebrews who did not have the benefit of isaiah's "prophecy."
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And, furthermore, consider the prophecies of Nostadamus. He has been lauded as one of the greatest seers the world has ever known but, in fact, his prognostications are so nebulous and shrouded in symbolism that at least some of the events that occur in the world are bound to appear congruent with at least some of his prophecies.

Then consider the biblical book of revelation. Over the course of a couple of centuries, people have interpreted passages about seven-headed monsters and other similar images as being relevant to the time in which they were living. A small group led by a respected member of the fundamentalist church I was reared in actually sold everyting they had and bought a cave somewhere in Colorado in an attempt to escape the devastation of the end time. If I recall correctly, that was back in 1977, and all they've got to show for their unfounded faith is a hole in a mountain that they ultimately emerged from appearing very stupid and abjectly poor.

Consequently, based on my own limited experience, I pay precious little attention to religious zealots who stumble across a biblical reference to the circle of the earth and attempt to use it in an effort to lend some nebulous scientific credence to their otherwise non-scientific and evidentiarally insupportable concepts.

In my opinion, it's just further proof that people can believe anything they want to believe for whatever reason. As an agnostic, I'll stick to basing my beliefs on the best available substantive evidence I can discover and leave the rest to as yet undiscovered evidence.
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