GX

Actually, I agree with you that its sounds pretty complex and would like to understand your point a little more. You've piqued my curiosity here sketipco. How does your religious training still play out in your thinking?

Is it in the secular topics such as political thinking e.g. "christian conservative"? Or is it in regards to spiritual topics? Or both?

AB517

I was like this.

The question becomes whose Logic and reason. Is it mine or ours? Your part about not accepting anything you do not understand is ok if you mean with out questioning it or tying to understand.

If you mean, just because I do not understand than it is not valid, that is a whole ‘nother story. There comes a point where we must admit to ourselves that we just aint that good.

However, your point is ok over all.

We need to keep in mind that there is feeling.

I am trying to add feeling into my mix. I will admit though that I am only willing to use it as a light seasoning at this point in my life. To accent the knowledge and experience I have. You skept, like me, probably have experienced life at its worst. I have to be careful not to turn to cold. I have brought the rain many times in my life skept; I am trying to be more careful of the number of innocent by standers I bring down now.

Knowledge with out feeling is a wasted and frustrating way to live. As with all seasoning I must be careful not to overpower the logic and reason. Although you and I are probably pretty similar here, I do not have to worry about to much compassion, I need to work on more.

Lecter

I came here because Gesh invited me.

I am sorry to disappoint but there's no great deep meaning here. I just love her and love to be around her

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Bjarki Dalsgarð

Well being a half long time aquintance of Wulfric he decided to introduce me here, thinking it would be a nice thing for me to be around similar nutcases as me(little did he know about my true motives). I joined in, made a scene of sorts I guess. And since then I have been prowling the dark corners here.

I find this forum rather intersting, but since english is my third language(I sometime think it is my fourth or fifth) some of teh uber long disscussion posts, which are interesting and all, just make me loose the track of waht is going on, so I'm just posting in hte less serious threads so far, or the less long post threads if you could say taht.

as for my beliefs, I don't believe in any established religion and neither any unestablished ones whoopp made sense eh?

But my visit here, is like all mortal life, it will end at some point.

Cheers

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Wulfric

Still don't regret it, convinced you'd like a good deal of the stuff on here if only it where in english

I should give my reason for being here. Think I went over it a bit in my intro thread but that was some time ago, so I should re-introduce myself a bit.

Found this place on Wikipedia, looking up this 'Agnostic' line of thought which I was eager to find more about after a bit of confusion.

I was raised an atheist, a fact I am VERY happy about, with atheist parents, an Anglican education (Anglican church primary school in the UK) and a Methodist grandma. I was happily and devoutly an atheist till I finished high school, which is when I suddenly felt an odd need to explore religions (much to my own horror). I've always found it impossible to approach the major monotheistic religions as as far as I can tell they all view us (homosexuals) as at worst an abomination and at best poor, mislead fools who need help. I got put off new-age wiccan type things by an abundance of... interesting people/books/websites creating top-grade high fantasy which was very fun to read but not something I could ever accept as anything other than fantasy. I then drifted more towards the more reconstructive forms of neo-paganism, in my case the Norse/Germanic variety or Asatru, but after a number of run ins with people I'd probably describe as Nazis (not that they would be willing to admit it) I was left pondering what I actually believed.

I've come nowhere close to even glimpsing the 'truth', if such a thing even exists. I have begun to see that the wild unrealities religions put forward aren't to be taken as literal truths, and that they simply serve as vessels for 'higher truths' and details of human nature, and that basically there is a marked difference between theology and religion. I'm currently doing an introductory course into Buddhism at university as part of my history degree, focussing mainly on core doctrine and the early monastic order in India. Buddhism has been interesting to me for some time now, since we had a nun speak at our high school, and I encountered traces of it studying Japanese a couple of years back (mainly Mahayana varieties).

Bah! methinks I am beginning to ramble, so I'll just hive a wave to Bjarki and go back to the shadows.

Yes Man

Intellectual stimulation.

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nakamichi680zx

I'm here to get off the fence and learn something about myself through intelligent discourse with open-minded people. People who would not judge me for thinking outside the religious box.

That said, I am in awe over what a wealth of opinions and topics I've found. What an interesting group!

Such a diverse range of beliefs; I guess got what I wished for in spades.

Oh and I like the smilies too.

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Katnip89

Second Post, Thought I'd give it another whack.

Romansh; Here's a tidbit to chew up and discuss with me.

Is being on this forum, allied with similarities, (that generally unite a religion), are we infact being ironic enough to have laugh about it?

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romansh

...Not quite sure what you mean... but will try to give an opinion anyway.

I think we enjoy and find it comforting being with like minded people.
But there is a wide variety of people on this forum... devout Christians to devout atheists and of course the sensible ones in between....

there are people who have made question, some conclusions I had come to...Og, AB and marmalade come to mind.

I find the young people interesting and the doom and gloom theme that is common to many of them is for me worrying. Could be just a subset of the population that is drawn to post for a short while on a forum like this.

Regarding laughing and irony ..... I'll let you decide who you think is willing to laugh at themselves, at ourselves and those who take this all too seriously.

I hope I opined about your tidbit correctly?...

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to_hobbes

I joined because I was hoping for some kind of outlet. I get so angry whenever I hear about even a small triumph of the creation scientists or anti-stem-cell research groups, or when another celebrity announces their devotion to some religion, and there is absolutely nothing I can do but complain.

So I thought, "why not just discuss various things with people who won't call me a moron for being a non-believer." I was hoping to share with some people my most brilliant and ingenious ideas and get them to see things my way, or to have others give me new things to think about. So far, I've been pleased with what I see here.

Sometimes I think people get to arguing with each other in circles, or they start talking cross-purposes without realizing it, and this makes whatever thread they are posting on very long and pointless to read. When it's clear to me that each person doesn't understand what the other is saying, I just stop reading. But aside from that, my experience here has been great.

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