sisterX

An-jel, Hear! Hear!

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Drac

I have always have beleived that capital punishment is wrong. I feel this way because I dont trust the system that enforces it. Law isnt perfect, but it should at least strive to perfection.

Current Death Row- many innocences walking the line. Bad defence attorny biased jurys, Rasict Judges,,,, Oh and the DNA evidence


But Angel got me thinking, we just need change the legislation to read "This case that is being brought in front of you today, You will prove this case beyond ANY shrredd of doubt. If will could find this great perfect judical system. Whe need accountiblity on goverment elected, hired,

CEO/CFO etccc
These should be like china, the only way capital punishment would be a detterent is when then the white collar ceo see's the lights flicker just before in embezles 50mil $ to the carribbean.

I agree about the whole put the suffering animal down

debdodd

okay sis .... how many prostitutes are you familiar with or have met and dealt with? In Amsterdam it is an actual profession and they have dental, medical and are required to get health certificates, etc. Agreed, some women end up in prostitution for the reason you mentioned but certainly not all. Some of my ex-patients have been prostitutes and not all of them were drug addicts ... some had regular jobs and just wanted the estra income. I know that sounds strange but it's true.

Sis, I've got a question for you .... what about strippers, exotic dancers, what ever you want to label them as ... where do they fall on your radar? Is it a form of prostitution, exploitation or how do you perceive it?

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Gettin' In Tune

I do not agree with the death penalty.

1. It does not deter or prevent
2. Innocent people die
3. It is not humane to retributory take a life

States that use the death penalty, on average, have a higher murder rate than states thant do not use the death penalty. One theory is that the death penalty leads to the brutalization effect. If societies and states place less value on human life, so don't the individuals living within those societies and states.

kjk437

Some who commits a capital offense immediately has a debt to society that can never be payed in a lifetime. However, instead of killing the person (I don't believe in taking the life of anyone), we sure as hell try to have them repay their debt. Hard labor is as good of an option as we have. Not spending 23 hours in a cell. What does that give back to society? Nothing. They work for the rest of their lives, no parole. Simple as that.

The An-Jel

You know I like what your saying about hard labor but the propensity for things to go wrong... similiar to the movies with the escape convict scenarios... unfortunately with people with nothing to loose like that well bad things happen. Probably one of the reasons they don't put these folks into the army and the infantry. Desperate, desparate creatures like these criminals there isn't much to salvage let alone forcing them to work. Still... I am unsure it looks good in print.

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kjk437

I understand entirely what you are saying, but I can never justify taking the life of another human. IMO, it brings you down to the level of the capital offender. It also seems like it's giving them too easy of a way out of their punishment. In that vein, I believe they need to start repaying that unrepayable (even a word?) debt to society. How? I'm not sure of at this point.

debdodd

it's disgusting how civil liberty lawyers continue to demand that prison inmates have many of the same privileges as they would out of prison. When I read/see articles regarding their living environment it disgusts me.

They have cable TV and many other privileges that many people out of prison cannot afford. They commit crimes and still demand, and receive special treatment ... pitiful ... big deal that they spend 22 hours in their cells. I would rather see them dead than waste tax payer dollars. I would be happy to flip the switch, or give the lethal injection to any rapist, pedophile in prison. I could do it with out any remorse and sleep with a clear conscience.

Before any of you jump all over me .... there would have to be witnesses and proof that they committed the crime, if there was any doubt then no ... but proof with DNA evidence .. I could be as brutal as they are. I know that's not a popular opinion but I could care less. I have seen the pain those types of criminals have caused .... I could and would put them down like a rabid dog.

I could care less if they died slowly. I know many of you doubt that I could/would do it but you would be wrong. They deserve to die for the pain that they cause. It should be up to the victim's family if they are convicted of a capital offense and given life without parole, then the family should get to decide if the criminal does time or be put to death.

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sisterX

I totally agree! I believe the only 'human right' a murderer/rapist/pedophile has is the right not to be tortured, (unless they had tortured their victim, in which case they should undergo the same misery, except sexual assault) but I dont generally believe in torture as punichment for crimes.

The point is not making them suffer, but rather bringing peace to society and peace to the minds of the victim/victim's family.

The prisons here in the UK are literaly full and they can't ship criminals to australia anymore so they are basically screwed, they let murderers and rapists out early to re-offend. And believe me the re-offending rate is high.

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debdodd

they early release them everywhere it seems. The same thing happens here .. they get out of jail and are back in a few weeks.

If torture was involved in the way the criminal killed the person .... I don't care if they torture the person to death. Criminals have no fear of going to jail anymore. It's "inhumane" to put them on chain gangs and force them to do hard manual labor. Our jail are full of unredeemable, worthless human beings are wasting resources. Think what all we could do with the money we waste on murders, rapist, and pedophile ... you could wipe out hunger and do the world a favor at the same time.

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"Ubi dubium ibi libertas."

"We are all lone souls. It pays to know humility, lest the delusion of control, of mastery, overwhelms. And indeed, we seem a species prone to that delusion, again and ever again ....."