Capital Punishment - Page 2

moorehurst · 07-08-2007, 07:04 PM

But seeing as you and I live in a country where a bonkers Prime Minster led us into a bonkers war what exactly is treason?

sisterX · 07-08-2007, 07:08 PM

Besides it is against british law for the little irish guy to sell pot. It is seen as a crime against society even in britain, just as guys who 'curb crawl' are punished by the law. What is intolerant about my views moor? Especially now that i have clarified things a bit more.

**debdodd** · 07-08-2007, 07:27 PM

prostitutes should definitely NOT be punished!!! they provide a valuable service ... truly creepy guys need love too and thus the prostitute's role in society!

Coping mechanism .... as for dope ... depends on the drug of choice .... Ecstasy is a party drug ... where as others are necessary for a person to survive ... I've taken care of plenty of "legal" drug addicts ... people that have incurable illnesses and constant pain ... they will live the rest of their lives "hooked" on painkillers but they now have a quality of life. Someone smoking pot to relax in the confines of their homes ... their business not mine. Crack and heroin have no medicinal use and cause an increase in crime. I've never heard of Pot heads going on a crime spree ... unless they have the munchies and commit petty theft of potato chips in the grocery stores, they may make bad choices sure but seldom violent crimes.

As for the recreational user ... I am undecided ... I tend to believe "to each their own" but then some idiot has to decide to give or sell it to some young kid before he/she is able to rationalize out if it is or isn't the right path for them. So once again ... I am on the fence ... why should a drug dealer be sentenced to life in prison when a lifetime alcoholic drives drunk and kills a family he only gets a certain amount of years in prison ... because he was impaired? It was the drunk's choice to get that smashed and drive .... so where is the rationale in that?

Still up for debate in my mind about drugs but now as for prostitutes ... god bless them!!!!

sisterX · 07-08-2007, 07:55 PM

Lol deb. I also don't believe a drug dealer should be locked up for life. But law says they should be punished somehow. It is evident that drugs cause more harm than good in society as well as to the individual. Drugs are made illegal for good reasons. I believe they should stay illegal. Having said that, i believe in the controlled use of some drugs as painkillers such as canabis.

jaej · 07-09-2007, 08:43 AM

As some of you may know, I'm on moorehurst's side. I'm sorry, but if you believe what I do (or what I don't....?), which is there is no sort of afterlife, no soul etc., then once a person is dead then they are dead. There is nothing. Ergo, 300 years in prison (life w/o parole) is a far worse punishment than death, in my young naive opinion. Your life is over either way-just one way there is no 'you', and in the other you're trapped inside a cage for years. Robert Hanssen, the most damaging spy we've ever caught, is guilty of treason. Instead of killing him, he spends 23 hours a day in solitary confinement in a supermax prison in colorado. Death is clearly a better option for him, and if I were him I'd rather be put to death.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supermax

lol and im with deb, I don't know why prostitution's a crime. It's their body..and if it's about diseases, well the johns are the idiots that go after them in the first place, so...

Kevin · 07-09-2007, 05:01 PM

I support it. I believe capital punishment should be "granted" mainly to killers though. Enough wasting our money on keeping them alive in a prison cell.

jaej · 07-10-2007, 08:43 AM

The system is so ineffecient that they spend years and years in prison anyway, and with appeals courts and things, we really don't save a whole lot of money.

sisterX · 07-10-2007, 11:42 AM

Jaej i have no need for them to suffer, just a need for them to be removed from society. prison is a waste of money, considering here in the uk that murderers eat better food in prison than kids eat at school. And a life sentence is something like 15 years? Plus the prisons are all completely full. Deb, most prostitutes don't choose this trade, they are forced upon it, it's the only way they can feed their addictions. Most of them are beaten and raped at some point when a man decides he doesn't want to pay. The arabic word for 'prostitution' is the same word used for 'exploitation'. Prostitution IS exploitation. I believe those women should be given help and those who exploit them should be punished. I would not be happy if a sister daughter or friend of mine was exploited in such a way.

jaej · 07-10-2007, 11:45 AM

I'm not saying you want them to suffer, but several people in favor of the death penalty indicated how certain henious crimes should result in the suffering of the criminal.

I know you can get out on parole with a life sentence. That's why I said 300 years, so you'd be dead before you'd be eligible for parole.

**The An-Jel** · 07-10-2007, 12:44 PM

I think China might have an idea here. One of the huge problems I find in the "civilized" countrys is the corruption on such a magnitude that it is in effect greater than the scale of even the war thats going on now. Here's China's take on it:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapc...eut/index.html

Quote:

BEIJING, China (Reuters) -- China executed a former drug and food safety chief on Tuesday for corruption in an unusually swift sentence which will serve as a warning amid a series of health scandals that have stained the "made in China" brand.

Zheng Xiaoyu appears in court.

The Supreme People's Court approved the death sentence against Zheng Xiaoyu, 62, who was convicted of taking bribes worth some 6.5 million yuan ($850,000) from eight companies and dereliction of duty, Xinhua news agency said.

His execution marked the first time China has imposed a death sentence on an official of his rank since 2000.

"Zheng Xiaoyu's grave irresponsibility in pharmaceutical safety inspection and failure to conscientiously carry out his duties seriously damaged the interests of the state and people," Xinhua cited the high court as stating.

"The social impact has been utterly malign," the court said, adding that Zheng's confession and handing over of bribes were not enough to justify mercy. Watch why China imposed the ultimate penalty on Zheng »

Yan Jiangying, spokeswoman for the State Food and Drug Administration, said the case had brought only shame to the watchdog. "This kind of serious case of law breaking by a small minority of corrupt elements, as far as the entire system is concerned, really made us feel ashamed," she said.

"But these cases revealed several problems, and I think we need to seriously reflect on what lessons we can draw."

Zheng, head of administration from 1998 to 2005, was sentenced on May 29 and his appeal was heard last month.

Under rules introduced at the start of this year, the supreme court also reviews and can quash death sentences, a power previously in the hands of provincial-level high courts. But this time the supreme court spent little time endorsing the execution.

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The unusually harsh sentence and its prompt enforcement reflect the pressure on Beijing from domestic and international alarm about consumer safety after a series of breaches and deaths involving toxins in food, medicines and other products.

Yan admitted China faced a huge safety problem.

"As a developing country, China's food and drug supervision work began late and its foundations are weak. Therefore, the food and drug safety situation is not something we can be optimistic about," she said.

"We must ensure that those who have power fulfil their duties and responsibilities, and if anyone abuses their power they will be punished," Yan added. "Officials in key departments will change posts on a rotating basis."

Investigators found Zheng and his subordinates abused new rules in renewing drug production licenses to squeeze kickbacks from companies.

His misdeeds led to approval of many medicines that should have been blocked or taken from the market, including six fake drugs, the court found.

Last week, a court handed down a suspended death sentence on one of Zheng's subordinates on the same charges. Another senior administration official was jailed for 15 years in November for taking bribes and illegal gun possession.

Despite repeated official pledges to get tough, new cases keep coming to light. Up to half of the water used in coolers in the capital Beijing may not be as pure as manufacturers claim, the China Daily reported on Tuesday.

I am so sick of officials and business getting away literally with murder in this and other country's it's wrong... corrupt... and treasonous on a genocidal scale. Maybe instead of putting these CEO's and officials in some cushy powder-puff "prison" hotels or letting them get away with it period end that they just start executing them maybe they will attempt to start treating people as a person should be. Not that China does that exactly at all... thats not what I am saying here... but if we started executing the guy or at least life in prison with the likes of terrorists, murderers, and rapists maybe it would be less tempting to perform such acts as bilking millions of people out of their pensions (i.e. Enron) Maybe outing a CIA Agent's Identity will carry a little more weight or starting a war on some other idiot governments false information. With great power comes great responsibility... and at the moment there is just no accountability at all.

As far as reality goes, I think that when a person (that includes those I mentioned above though that was just wishful thinking on my part) commits such an atrocious crime such as murder, violent rape, child molestation, and the like that they have lowered their stature from the base human animal to a rabid animal that needs to be put out of it's misery for the good of society and even the person. This person I shall now call It, It has shown that it can not play well with others, It does not respect the herd or Itself, and It has shown that It can no longer be considered apart of the human society any longer. Locking It up only prolongs Its suffering as well as the humans that must take care of this animal. Like any wild and aggressive animal It needs to be put down.

I don't mind repeating myself and I welcome all newbies into the Forum equally! If you can't find the appropriate thread already started on this subject I guess starting a new one (if it isn't too many, because it becomes blatantly redundant) isn't out of the question.