The An-Jel

You know the concessions that the big boys on the block give to country's like India and Pakistan who have nuclear weapons. It really is a Catch-22. I mean if you get mad at a country with nuclear weapons then you risk these economically deprived countrys of doing possibly drastic things with their nukes. If you do you encourage other countrys like North Korea to try and achieve them. You see how fast North Korea backed down and have been silent. The concessions are being had by that impoverished nation I bet you a 5 spot on that one.

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debdodd

I think North Korea is more scary ......

Also I think if we need to hide anything give to Osama he's bee able to hide for years and not be found ......

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granpa

Difference between NK and Iran is that NK is dirt Poor and Iran is filthy rich sitting on a ton of oil.

Frankly, the country I'd be taking away the Nukes from is the usa, so far the only country to have used atomic bombs and the only country posing a threat to the world invading foreign nations.

As for Iran yeah, the usa seems to be building up a case against it for war again. I don't think this will fly though. Europe, Asia and the Middle east are pretty sick of america at this point and I don't think China or Russia will tolerate a Iranian invasion without lending serious under the counter support to them.

debdodd

The difference between NK and Iran is simply oil money and poverty? I wish it were that simple .... the difference is a crazy dictator and a wealthy country. I'd rather Iran have it than NK have it. Do you seriously think any country would want to nuke us or them? Hell no .... no one wants WWIII! The US needs to get out of Iraq I agree but just to stop and say okay you're on your own is a recipe for disaster. They don't want peace they are testosterone charged barbarians and save your breath telling me what a loving god Allah is .... all these countries want to see is who has the biggest dick .... so boys whip it out and get it over with. They are killing each other more than they are killing US soldiers. We pull out quickly and you see how fast another 9/11, an English subway, a Spanish train bomb happens. I would rather see us block all foreign trade, become a self sufficient nation, put up the great wall of the United states, deport anyone not born here and say sort your own sh#t out. I no longer care about the AIDS epidemic in Africa, the millions starving, "charity belongs at home", if they die so be it, if they kill each other so be it .... if we become as isolated country I no longer care. There isn't anything made in another country that we can't produce here, our health care is in shambles because of all the immigrants we take care of. I just heard of hospital that starting sending hospital bills to the country of origin for those with health care bills. Ship there asses back .... let the country of birth take care of them or let them die. The rest of the world doesn't seem to mind taking our money for disaster help, they don't mind coming to us for a loan ... Send the statue of liberty back to France I'm tired of taking in their hungry and their poor .... We are not a perfect country but we are a caring country who sends money, missionaries and aid when ever asked ..... stop ..... they don't want us, fine .... but stop asking for and taking our money. I know this is not PC rhetoric but I am sick of all the armchair quarterbacks who want to bitch and complain about the US and our foreign policy .... if you hate the way things are going get off your asses and try to make it a better world ...... Whew! got that off my chest!


I don't think taking the weapons away from anyone is going to be an answer. No one is going to give them up, esp. the US. As for us using the atomic bombs ... be real ... we were horrified by it's destruction ... I don't think anyone sees that as anything more than a piece of history that we aren't proud of. US can build a case against Iran all they want but there is no desire to go to war with them ... everyone from President to pauper doesn't want to open that can of worms. If the US is so damn bad why do we have so many wanting to come here?

This paragraph is directed at no one in particular but the entire US. Mothers are tired of sending their kids off to war and watching them die. So unless you are recycling, using eco friendly products, driving an alternative fuel vehicle then STFU you are part of the problem and not part of the solution!

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jaej

Whew!! Look out Iran!

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granpa

I'm not sure you realize what those loans, aids and crap are. The US is no caring country, that's hilarious. The US knows nothing but the smell of money. They gave out loans in the 1950's to country's with 10-20% interest rate on them that they have paid off at almost double their original value but are still in debt because of the high interest. The US profits and leeches off third world countries and has no caring intentions because of those countries ever prospered then guess what, the US wouldn't have anywhere to gather in cheap labour in from.

People go to the US for the money plain and simple. The us has the cash, then I'll go to it leech off all those hypocrit asses in the us goverment and despite my beliefs live off them. I for one don't live in america though.

Without leeching off the poor the Us would be nothing. Heck, the entire US economy was built on slavery, the entire country started off that and it continues to thrive off slavery, it's called economic slavery. It's called interest, loanss, invading countries and then leeching off their oil. The US needs other countries more than they need the us because without them the US wouldn't have a cheap workforce and dependent people who would stimulate the entire corrupted US economy. Not only the interest but all loans come with strings attached such as a certain portion of it being invested into american contractors and investor companies that then further profit off that company through foreign trade while exploiting their cheap workforce and situation.

debdodd

Where do you live that is the cradle of Utopian society?

No lie there that the US started out with slaves ... no argument here but tell me of other countries that haven't had slavery in one form or another.

If we didn't loan them the money what other country would have? If other countries cared why didn't they loan them money at a lower rate. Sounds like "biting the hand of the one that feeds you" to me!

I don't say the US is the best place in the world .... where do you suggest it is? I'm very interested in where you think this place is.

America the government and the American people are two different entities. Do not mistake what our government does with what our people do. You condemn a people because of their government ..... narrow minded of you.

You're very comfortable with putting down the US but what other countries do they turn to time and time again? Your country? Your populace is that philanthropic? Enlighten me .......

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lauraclay

Wow, how freaking idiotic are you? The US gives aid when no one else does. The US gives aid in magnitudes no other country can match. So what if we outsource or cheap labor? We provide jobs to countries where they can't support themselves worth crap. If we didn't give them jobs you know where they'd be? In a grave before they were 30. And we don't want to be isolated, although that sounds nice for a moment. Because then our standard of living would plummet. Look what happened to Japan and China after they isolated themselves for hundreds of years. Yeah, that worked...

America is the land of opportunity. Maybe you don't like our government, but that's just jealousy. Sure, we put interest on our loans. You think we're stupid? Here, have our money, we don't need it. But it's not like we're forcing every other nation in the world into debt. Note we are billions of dollars in debt. Think we would be if we stopped supporting the rest of the world? And we gave loans when no one else would. It's not like the reparations placed on Germany post-WWI. Jesus, you'd think we were evil or something. And newsflash, 10-20% is not high interest. Go get a credit card.

The U.S. economy was built on slavery? What?!?! No, the U.S. economy 150 YEARS AGO was built on slavery. And you know what, we weren't far behind the rest of the western world. The U.S. economy has skyrocketed way after slavery died. And you know why? War. Not slavery. And you know what wars? The world wars the rest of the dumba** world started. Wars we had nothing to do with. Wars we TRIED to stay out of. One we stayed out of for three years. Finally we got dragged in and ended it in one. The second we stayed out for two. Got attacked. Finished in three. Vietnam, maybe we shouldn't have been over there. But if we hadn't, do you doubt that communism would dominate over there? Same in Korea. Maybe we didn't end communism, but we stemmed the flow. How about Iraq? Sure, we've messed up. But you want Saddam back in power? Go live there. Or better yet, live in one of the thousands of refugee camps we support. They're not great, but there's way too much of a demand for them.

You can not say the U.S. is not a giving country. Government and people. The government is just smart enough to look out for the interests of its own people as well. If our government only cared about foreign people it wouldn't be the government of the United States. It'd be the government of the world. How condescending is that? But no. We are Americans. We care about the world, and we help it out. Lord knows we all came from somewhere. But we are Americans first. Survival of the fittest. And if you don't like what we do, sucks to be you. You couldn't do a better job anyway.

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jaej

You do know we live in a capatalist world? Does your country 'care' purely for the sake of others, and nothing for itself? In this hedonistic world, people do what is best for themselves. Why would we do something for free? That just doesn't make any sense. Every action is intended to have some kind of profit, be it monetary, reputation, or what have you. I find it 'hilarious' that you can call the most generous nation in history greedy.

Sure, this is true, but by no means is it the only reason. You think the people that try to come here from Cuba on inflatable rafts are just trying to turn a profit? What about escaping their restrictive, oppresive government? People don't come to America for money, not directly. They come for opportunity. Money happens to be a big part of that, but don't underestimate the 'freedom' we have here, freedom that is being chipped away by a government more concerned with security than with the rights of its citizens.

As lc said, can you do better? The world has abandoned Iraq. At least we have the balls to stay and try to make things better, even though we're doing a bad job of it.

You talk about exploitation and cheap labor, but what about the opportunity it presents for people, both in third world countries and here? You do know that companies make the decision to outsource, not the government, right? Not only does it provide economic opportunity for disadvantaged people in disadvantaged countries, it separates the wheat from the chaff here in that people who are truly qualified for the job, people that could not be done without, get the job. If anything, it should provide incentive for the people complaining about outsourcing to get off their ass and try to make themselves better.

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debdodd

America .... you don't like us it's clear to see ..... no problem ignore us .... but I'll bet your country has problems also .... but when you start talking trash about America and Americans you risk being told STFU ......

so how about it you stop the trash talk about my caring fellow US citzens and I won't need to tell you to STFU again .... deal?

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