Atheist in Congress! - Page 2

**The An-Jel** · 03-22-2007, 02:01 PM

People are afraid of death in general. It's built into the machinery of living. A God gives them an excuse to keep them living forever. Death is no longer a factor. The terrible thing is that it gives the God worshippers a false set of values and views on life which adversely affect the world. Slowly, like even the attempt at coming "clean" with the world, is coming to bear. Like jaej said rather sarcastically hehehe, just this administration and the Jihadists are showing how brutal religions can be.

lauraclay · 03-22-2007, 10:06 PM

I don't think God gives the worshippers a false set of values and views on life which adversely affect the world. I think the worshippers do. If you take the main message of Christianity (not all the incongruencies in the Bible), then it's pretty peaceful. Same with Islam and Judaism, and many other religions. But man makes things work for him, bends ideals to his own advantage.

bcspinner · 03-24-2007, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Og

I thought the whole point of democracy was that the highest power was the people that the politicians represented. Why would they need god when they have that?

I agree, Og, well said.
In Chile, they have an openly agnostic, female president, Michelle Bachelet!
I don´t think she will be looking to a higher power to run the country.

**The An-Jel** · 03-24-2007, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by bcspinner

I agree, Og, well said.
In Chile, they have an openly agnostic, female president, Michelle Bachelet!
I don´t think she will be looking to a higher power to run the country.

I bet you she does... thats the situation I am talking about. Unassumed prejiduce. I mean who if you can believe in God can face Gods true face without hurting because you have hurt. If there is no God who can face God if you are faced with people that do not hate themselves but wonder why the will to continue on is preferable. I personally think it's fun but not everybody does. Use a timid approach when you speak of reality the way it is but don't shrink when you say no one knows. No one does... fervor is the work of people who want something. I want nothing except the truth. Wow did I sound like Faith?

jaej · 03-25-2007, 11:06 AM

No. Faith's words are profoundly simple and brazenly ignorant. This is definitely not, although I must wonder if something is wrong with me, because this is the second post in the past minute that I have read and not comprehended at all. Maybe I should get more sleep..

lauraclay · 03-25-2007, 01:07 PM

I think the point of continuing is that you don't know. You have no idea what comes next. And wouldn't it suck to miss out on something?

bcspinner · 03-25-2007, 01:24 PM

Very interesting discussion! It is true, we do not know what comes next! Sometimes the horrors that exist in life make you wonder why do these things happen to people? These exact horrors make me doubt,for example, that the Christian god exists in the manner described by the bible.
In my example of Michelle Bachelet, she is not going in with a false pretense of being Catholic or Christian. She says she is agnostic and is trying to get the Catholic influence out of policy making decisions. To take my example one step further, she was tortured and raped by the Pinochet regime, fled her country for a time, but continued on in life, became a doctor and politician and President. Each person can make their life have meaning in different ways.
In the US it seems so important that the leaders have a certain image of an intact family, attend church, and served in the military. The church part, in my opinion, should be out of the equation.

Armel P · 05-01-2007, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Faith

Because politics can't take you to heaven, politics doesn't love you and care for you. God hasn't gotten us very far? Say that next time you go to lay down in a warm bed to sleep, or go get something to eat or drink. Stop complaining.

I'm sorry but I don't believe there is a connection between God and my food and bed. And there is no logical reason for anyone else to believe it either. It's easy to instruct people not to complain when you yourself have nothing to complain about.

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Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man -- living in the sky -- who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time! But He loves you. He loves you, and He needs money! He always needs money. He's all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, and all-wise... somehow just can't handle money.

-George Carlin

Armel P · 05-01-2007, 07:17 PM

Few things anger me as much as the involvement of religion in politics. Listening to people giving speaches and mentioning God in some excited way and having everyone in the audience clap... I wish it was more amusing to know they are effectively applauding their low intellectual quotient and narrow-mindedness. But it isn't amusing. It is disgusting and emabrassing. I get too angry at the thought to even be able to write properly about how angry I am.

Another thing I get equally angry with is mushrooms. Just as disgusting.

jaej · 05-01-2007, 11:30 PM

As disgusting? I think they might be more..