Axis of Evil

**The An-Jel** · 02-23-2007, 03:36 PM

When you call certain country's the " Axis of Evil " and your running the most powerful country in the world. Your country hosts the UN, your country is a beacon and the foundation for the world economy, and your country is basically culturally against the things these country's believe in. What do you expect these country's to do:

A) Understand that they are evil and say " I'm sorry " bow down and drop everything they are doing that offends you.

B) Now that they are labelled Evil and a certain threat and do everything in their power to survive.

C) Do nothing and wait for everything to blow over.

I am confused as to what a person mentioned above would expect these country's to do for I am a naive civilian (I was told this by Republicans over and over when I suggested Bush's logic might be a touch flawed.)

brig · 02-23-2007, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by The An-Jel

(I was told this by Republicans over and over when I suggested Bush's logic might be a touch flawed.)

Tantamount to blasphemy surely?

**The An-Jel** · 02-24-2007, 01:58 PM

Yeah but somehow they persevered...

**The An-Jel** · 02-27-2007, 03:16 PM

Iran, Syria invited to talks on Iraq - Conflict in Iraq - MSNBC.com

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WASHINGTON - The United States and the Iraqi government are launching a new diplomatic initiative to invite Iran and Syria to a “neighbors meeting” on stabilizing Iraq, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said Tuesday.

“We hope that all governments seize this opportunity to improve their relations with Iraq and to work for peace and stability in the region,” Rice said in remarks prepared for delivery to a Senate committee. Excerpts were released in advance by the State Department.

The move reflects a change of approach by the Bush administration, which previously had resisted calls by members of Congress and by a bipartisan Iraq review group to include Iran and Syria in diplomatic talks on stabilizing Iraq.

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“I am pleased to announce that we are also supporting the Iraqis in a new diplomatic offensive: to build greater support, both within the region and beyond, for peace and prosperity in Iraq,” Rice said, adding that U.S. and Iraqi officials agree that success in Iraq “requires the positive support of Iraq’s neighbors.”

Iran faces growing pressure
The announcement came even as the United States is engaged in its latest confrontation with Iran over its nuclear program, which U.S. officials say is aimed at developing nuclear weapons but Tehran says is for new sources of energy.

A U.N. Security Council deadline for Tehran to suspend uranium enrichment has just expired, and in response the U.S. wants the council to expand the limited sanctions the world body has imposed on Iran.

Rice stressed that it was the Iraqi government inviting Iran and Syria to participate, with the United States in support.

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At the White House, press secretary Tony Snow told reporters the administration is “happy that the government of Iraq is taking this step and engaging its neighbors. And we also hope and expect that Iran and Syria will play constructive roles in those talks.”

But Snow cautioned people to be patient, noting that “this is one where the agenda is being set up by the government of Iraq. And the conditions, especially for bilateral conversations with the Iranians, are pretty clear.”

The administration in recent weeks had increased its public criticism of Iran’s role in Iraq, charging it with supplying deadly weapons, including advanced technologies for the most lethal form of roadside bombs. The administration also has accused Syria of harboring anti-Iraqi government forces and allowing weapons to cross its border.

Rice and Defense Secretary Robert Gates were testifying Tuesday before the Senate Appropriations Committee on the administration’s budget request for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Waiting for RSVPs
The Iraqi government announced in Baghdad that it is preparing the meeting for mid-March, and that invitees include members of the Arab League and the five permanent members of the U.N. Security Council.

Syria will be represented at the conference by Ahmed Arnous, an aide to the foreign minister, an Iraqi Foreign Ministry official said, speaking on condition of anonymity because the plans had not yet been formally announced. Other Arab countries and Iran have not confirmed their attendance or the level of delegates they would send.

Rice said the mid-March meeting will be held at the sub-ministerial level. That is to be followed, perhaps as early as the first half of April, by a full ministerial-level meeting with the same invited countries, plus members of the G-8 group of leading industrial powers.

“I would note that the Iraqi government has invited Syria and Iran to attend both of these regional meetings,” Rice said. She also noted that the Iraq Study Group, headed by former Secretary of State James Baker and former Rep. Lee Hamilton, had recommended inviting Iran and Syria to such a neighbors meeting. At the time of that recommendation in December, President Bush rejected that diplomatic approach.

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Uh Oh... the Axis of Evil are being invited to a neighborly get together?

Side-eclipse · 03-02-2007, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by The An-Jel

When you call certain country's the " Axis of Evil " and your running the most powerful country in the world. Your country hosts the UN, your country is a beacon and the foundation for the world economy, and your country is basically culturally against the things these country's believe in. What do you expect these country's to do:

A) Understand that they are evil and say " I'm sorry " bow down and drop everything they are doing that offends you.

B) Now that they are labelled Evil and a certain threat and do everything in their power to survive.

C) Do nothing and wait for everything to blow over.

I am confused as to what a person mentioned above would expect these country's to do for I am a naive civilian (I was told this by Republicans over and over when I suggested Bush's logic might be a touch flawed.)

I think that this is a very interesting subject, An-Jel. I believe that when you’re leading a country as powerful and influential as the US, with all the advantages/disadvantages you’ve mentioned before, you are obliged to make some distinction between your enemy and your ally. I do believe in taking stands, I’m just against who takes them and the reasons for which they’re taken (in our example). A little kid could point out the political immaturity in the term “Evil”. I can’t believe that when one is surrounded with such a number of political advisors and experts, a slip like that could be acceptable. How different is Mr. Bush from Ahemdinejad??? Such words could only be found in the Bible, Koran or Star Wars. When you have someone like Mr. Bush as a sorry excuse for a president, saying that there is an “Axis of Evil”, of course, A psycho like Ahmedi Nejad dubbing America to be the “Great Satan” should be predictable, but not vice versa.

**The An-Jel** · 03-03-2007, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Side-eclipse

I think that this is a very interesting subject, An-Jel. I believe that when you’re leading a country as powerful and influential as the US, with all the advantages/disadvantages you’ve mentioned before, you are obliged to make some distinction between your enemy and your ally. I do believe in taking stands, I’m just against who takes them and the reasons for which they’re taken (in our example). A little kid could point out the political immaturity in the term “Evil”. I can’t believe that when one is surrounded with such a number of political advisors and experts, a slip like that could be acceptable. How different is Mr. Bush from Ahemdinejad??? Such words could only be found in the Bible, Koran or Star Wars. When you have someone like Mr. Bush as a sorry excuse for a president, saying that there is an “Axis of Evil”, of course, A psycho like Ahmedi Nejad dubbing America to be the “Great Satan” should be predictable, but not vice versa.

Did I mention Bush, I was thinking of Vietnam: Cambodia, Vietnam, and China!
Kidding!

I am not worried about Iran. Iran is relatively complacent compared to Saudia Arabia.

Maximus · 12-06-2007, 02:23 AM

Oooo, ooo, I have my own Axis of Evil.

1. Spain- Teen Prostitues Everywhere and They Love Gays

2. Romania- Gypsies!!!!!

3. Cambodia- Dirty AND filled with pedophiles

You may wonder why I didn't put the U.S. there...well....that's the Idiot Capital, idiots aren't evil...they're just stupid.

AB517 · 12-06-2007, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by The An-Jel

When you call certain country's the " Axis of Evil " and your running the most powerful country in the world. Your country hosts the UN, your country is a beacon and the foundation for the world economy, and your country is basically culturally against the things these country's believe in. What do you expect these country's to do:

A) Understand that they are evil and say " I'm sorry " bow down and drop everything they are doing that offends you.

B) Now that they are labelled Evil and a certain threat and do everything in their power to survive.

C) Do nothing and wait for everything to blow over.

I am confused as to what a person mentioned above would expect these country's to do for I am a naive civilian (I was told this by Republicans over and over when I suggested Bush's logic might be a touch flawed.)

Yes, Bush is flawed. The USA is flawed. People are flawed.

I would suggest that:

1)You start with your own people.
2)Stop blaming others for your problem.

The USA only does what you let them do. If you had a government that made companies clean up their mess and pay fair wages. Guess what! The USA would pass laws that would make companies do that in other countries.

When people in the USA do not like something, they try and do something about it. Sure; it is very hard and takes a long time and people are not perfect.

Why would people in some countries not tell on a “clan” member that is doing wrong?
Why do people in other countries except the murdering of an opposing political figure?
Why would they except killing someone who does not agree with them?

Hate to tell ya son, but if Bush had Hillary killed … he be in big trouble.

Start there.

**Skepticologist** · 12-07-2007, 07:57 PM

The basic problem, as I see it, is the Bush administration's propensity for painting other countries with the evil vs. good paintbrush.

As evidenced by the administration's reaction to the recently published National Intelligence Estimate, which documented that Iran, like Iraq in 2003, had abadoned its program to produce nuclear weapons, once a country has been declared evil by the world's only superpower, no ameliorating evidence will change the Manichean world view that prompted its original designation; nor will its policies be reviewed in light of new evidence.

This is exactly the same mindset that caused the US to ignore the best available intelligence, or to manufacture its own intelligence to support its desired actions, leading up to the 2003 invasion of Iraq. And it will lead to no better outcomes than the Iraqi debacle has produced.

AB517 · 12-08-2007, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Skepticologist

The basic problem, as I see it, is the Bush administration's propensity for painting other countries with the evil vs. good paintbrush.

As evidenced by the administration's reaction to the recently published National Intelligence Estimate, which documented that Iran, like Iraq in 2003, had abadoned its program to produce nuclear weapons, once a country has been declared evil by the world's only superpower, no ameliorating evidence will change the Manichean world view that prompted its original designation; nor will its policies be reviewed in light of new evidence.

This is exactly the same mindset that caused the US to ignore the best available intelligence, or to manufacture its own intelligence to support its desired actions, leading up to the 2003 invasion of Iraq. And it will lead to no better outcomes than the Iraqi debacle has produced.

one slight problem.

Iraq is working.
Weather we want to pay the price or not is another story.