larryslade

So what else is new?

The An-Jel

Nothing new about humans will to commit physical and mental genocide upon itself. As for Global Warming and Asteroids... worrying about it isn't going to make them go away. Acting through Physics and Chemistry such things MAY prevent them from happening or even allow us escape from our various POSSIBLE plights one way or another.

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the world may end soon, or it may not.

i dont waste time worrying.

Those who attempt to predict the future are foolish. all that is helpful is to prepare for what is probable and ensure one's ability to adapt to new situations.

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Og

The end of the world is a state of mind. It's not an event. It's enlightenment. That's the whole point. Jesus said, "The kingdom of heaven is laid out upon the earth, people simply don't see it"

It's not going to "come down to earth one day" it's here. The end of the world is when you obtain enlightenment.

Thinking that some supernatural event is going to cause human existence to end is another one of these ridiculous literal interpretations of the christian fundies.

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Om

If one might ask ... is this not a rather anthropomorphic way of looking at things? Seems to me the "end of the world" (unless we're diverging right off the bat in our definition of the term) could happen whether its current top-of-the-food-chain critters are ready to be enlightened or not. We get a big league celestial event on the scale that gave us, say, the Moon ... and how bright the light bulb over Mankind's collective head happens to be shining at that moment may not have a whole lot to do with it.

I misinterpreting your post?

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Faith

Ah, yes. The big lightbulb. Amazing isn't it. How the sun and moon, day and night, just came by accident huh...

The seasons stay in order, space stays in perfect order, day and night is always in order, and everything God put on this green earth stays in order. Also we can't forget that every planet is perfectly round, and each barren wastelands but here, where we have all these things which we find beautiful, the plants, our wives, our children who we love so dearly, all are worth nothing more than an evolved microscopic cell...

I can't see how evolutionists can really think that. That means my mouse which I click with, my keyboard and its keys, my games, my screen, every drop of snow which all are completely different, and my waterbottle which I am drinking out of and the water in it, could have accidentaly evolved into humans if they didn't decide to be plastic and water...

Technicaly, it sounds to me like OG says hes worth nothing more than the dirt I walk on each day and scrape off the bottom of my shoe, and the insect which crawls out of its little ant hole. People who only live by science have no life, and what life they do have is spent trying to prove their theory on evolution and they die failures only to realise, "woops...uhhh, God I can explain, scientificaly, uhhhhh..."

Here OG, let me rip your skull out of your deformed head and draw some pictures in a cave with it, make a crack in it and put some dust on it to make it look old, and yell out, "Hey look, its the missing link to but scratching, chestbeating unintelligent supposed APE-MAN!" And the media will come rushing in and scientists will examine it and say, "Wow, this skull definitely looks like the missing link".

OG, if evolution was true, which it's not, that means we are all murderers, because i have rubbed dirt off my shoe before, that could have been your brother. Or maybe your ancestor, ha.

Science is a tool which is used to try and determine no purpouse, absolutely no meaning, and that nothing can be possible that is determined impossible by a mortal man i.e law of relativity.

Which, is made by man. All God's physical and spiritual laws are unbreakable. But, this does not mean that God himself can't break them. This is how people do things such as miracles that in the old days, proved the scoffers wrong, and they paid all people who saw Jesus rise from death, and saw other miracles to say that they did not see anything. Of course what did they do...what unfortunately most men would, they gave in and said, sure why not. Typical for man to disobey God, as he has since the beginning. God gave one simple commandment to Adam and Eve, DO NOT EAT THE FRUIT ON THE TREE OF KNOWLEDGE (to purposeless evolutionists, people who believe they are worth nothing, consider this just a bible story, cause of course, it is "scientificaly" impossible.) And they eat that fruit. They had all other fruits and things to eat, but they had to pick specificly from the one that God said to not eat from.

Satan has fun meddling with the weak minds of people, they get weaker and weaker over the years, making it more fun of a place for him to play. And the media, he loves it. All it does is promote science and try to prove God wrong. Never succeeds though, and wont. God's promises are infallible, Jesus will reign as King, and to his right will stand the righteous, to his left will stand the scoffers, the unbelievers, and all who oposed God. As Jesus said,

"He who is not with me, is against me."

Om

Fundamentalism is alive and well here, I see.

Faith, you don't seem to think much of science. May I ask if you are familiar at least with the basic precepts of scientific method?

If not, we probably don't have much to talk about. Sounds like there's very little wiggle room in all that dogma.

If you do, though, I'd like to ask you a question or two. You game?

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Og

Faith is new to the forums it would seem. I wouldn't count on much in the way of back and forth and rational discourse. But looks like you figured that out

I like you Om

But there should be nothing past "3 and 4" in your step 5.. and step 5 should reference back to step 1

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You & I, no distinction. - Tat Tvam Asi
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Om

Agreed. Truth is I was in a hurry and grabbed the first definition I googled. We should write to Cal Riverside and tell them theirs sucks.

How about this one instead:

Or, if Faith were to find fault in either, perhaps he/she could favor us with a definition he/she is comfortable with before moving forward.

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Og

Yeah, scientific method is so wonderfully different than dogmatic religion. It has zero dogma.

It's like making a sculpture in marble. You remove what is not the sculpture and what is left is wonderful.

People have to be really distracted with the cares of the world and be extremely un-self-observant to discard the non-dogmatic scientific method for a dogmatic religion. It's ok, I guess, since they're doing whatever it is they do in life and seem to get by. It's just not really possible to converse between people with these different approaches.

They expect for others to simply accept their dogma as they do because that's the only way that makes sense to them (and this is the ONLY way it can make sense to them in order to keep their world the way it is). So we move on.

1. Observe and then observe some more
2. Try to correlate what you observe into a hypothesis for how it works
3. Test hypothesis
4. Use results of test to either disprove or "fail to disprove" hypothesis
5. Return to 1

Never obtain truth. In the same way that you don't build a sculpture from the inside out. You find out what is NOT true about something. The strength of your conviction is in the fact that you always admit that you could be wrong (paradoxically as it appears). It's not dogma, so you don't assault the individual delivering the argument. You let the argument assault the idea and you see how the idea stands up to it.

You don't identify with what you think is truth. You let truth stand on its own.

Extremely powerful. Like the gold smith who melts and burns and scrapes away impurities in gold and is left with something pure.

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Vi veri veniversum vivus vici. (By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe)
The self is not a fixed entity but a dynamic process of relationships
You & I, no distinction. - Tat Tvam Asi
Become Who You Are