debdodd

Obama and Hillary are in Indiana (where I live) for our primary vote tomorrow (Tuesday) ... anyone want to make a friendly, non-monetary bet on who wins tomorrow?

The two of them are glad handing all over the state, having news conferences around the clock ..... if I loose ..... lets see what will I wager .... how about I bet .... ummmmm ... okay, if I loose I will admit to how old I really am

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xxkayxx

I'll bet on Clinton...not quite sure what if i lose...

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StuckInThe90s

Og, anybody can say the Bible is wrong, just as anybody can say the Bible is right. I made this thread only to establish a hypothetical argument on how Barack Obama fits the description of the AntiChrist described in the Bible and not in a "vague, subjective" way and for members here to humor the prophecy for sake of discussion.

Despite our differences in beliefs, I absolutely agree with what you said in the 2nd quote.

Sorry buzz. Even though I'm all for establishing the authenticity of some aspects of the Bible while at the same time debunking the myths of the book, by the name of that site, it's obviously biased. Not to say that some, not to mention all of the "finds" have the possibility of being legit, but if you want to prove the Bible through archaeological means, you may want to cite a non religious source.

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buzz2

OK. Would Time magazine or Life magazine be an objective source to you? Or is that not a legit source either? I believe I saw it in Time. I'll have to find it and get back to you. Would that work? I mean if it made that magazine, is the news legit?

debdodd

those magazine have as much credibility on occasion as does the National Inquirer .... unless it has scientific data to back it up I don't always believe what I read ....

surely you know how the media, including printed, audio and visual, puts a "spin" on stories to sell magazines etc. ....

oh wait I forgot ..... you also believe everything in the bible so of course you believe if it's put into print .... it automatically means that it is the truth ......

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debdodd

well, we couldn't bet because I also think Hillary is going to take Indiana tomorrow .... so you don't get to loose anything ....

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Og

No. And for obvious reasons. A refereed journal where findings are reported, methods are described, and results are discussed. Peer review. Otherwise, anyone can say anything that they want. Life/Time are not peer reviewed journals. They can report anything they want and the only check on their editorial process is in pressure to make profits.

Again, I can't believe that you're putting forward that there is absolute proof of the literal truth of the bible and a catastrophic earth changing flood that reduced all species populations to a single breeding pair. It seems to me that this would echo in much more than some boat shaped dirt. Something like that would leave calling cards all over nature in all fields of scientific inquiry.

It's remarkable that you want to say "they found it" and yet you are only willing to pursue it to some esoteric 1970s life magazine article. It's remarkable that you're putting forth a claim of absolute truth of something of this magnitude and all you have is a little web clip and some pictures of piles of rocks! You have so much passion for your path that you've chosen... It drives you to make such passionate/strong/offensives comments and you're just willing to leave it at "they found all sorts of things" when it comes to something that would conceivably be a nail in the hammer that silenced all doubt about this thing you're so passionate about!

Come on.. you really want us to believe this?

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Og

Perhaps something like the Journal of Anthropological Archaeology?

That seems like an ideal place for work on such ground breaking information about human society! Why would people cover up the truth! It's truth! It is impervious! They would have boatloads (literally) of evidence on their side!

That journal goes back to 1982 from what I can see. I'm sure there are many others that have been around longer, but this was what I came up with after a short search on sciencedirect.com

Furthermore, a keyword search on both noah and ark and Ararat independently provided no hits from that journal.

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duck

I couldn't agree with anything said in this thread more.

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greywolf90

actually, you could probably argue that america is the "new rome" in that we are currently the world's empire. essentually, we are the romans. anyways, just thought i'd toss that in there. i don't believe this Obama = antichrist, and honestly, this whole thread doesn't surprise me. i think every popular leader has at some point, been accused of being the antichrist by their opponents. i'm sure that a simple search on the antichrist can show you a whole list of historical leaders. it's just like how each generation believes that they are the last, and that they will see the second coming of jesus. it doesn't seem so certain when you consider how every generation before you has thought the same thing you are thinking.

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