Og

I wonder if you'd consider John McCain the "anti-christ?" He's sought out intolerant screwballs like pat robertson and fallwell who are horrendous monsters when compared to a passionate person like reverend wright.

As for Obama's protest of the US government's actions by not wearing a flag pin or not covering his heart during the anthem, I can wholly appreciate his actions. I feel a similar way towards the current state of our government. Just because I may burn a flag does not mean that I am not a patriotic american. In fact, I consider that form of protest by an american citizen to be immensely patriotic.

Dissent is the highest form of patriotism in my book. It keeps the system honest. Given the choices, I'd vote for Obama.

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StuckInThe90s

You obviously didn't read my post in its entirety:
No, not at all, but Barack Osama fits the description of the AntiChrist spot on. It doesn't bother you that the man who is running to become the president of the United States can't find it in himself to put his hand over his heart for the country's national anthem? You may call it politically correct how something "insignificant" like that could bother any American when we have so much more "serious" issues to deal with, I'd call it disrespectful.
While racist, he does say some things that I tend to agree with to an extent. But it's common sense Wright can't stand white people, or at least most. He oozes the persona of a bitter Black Panther member.

Do I consider John Dubleya McCain to be the AntiChrist if there is one? Ummm, no. McCain is how old? Again, the AntiChrist is supposed to be fairly young.

For the record I'm not biased against Osama, all 3 candidates running are corrupt in one way or another.

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buzz2

If you want to get right down to it, the anti-Christ would not be an American at all. The bible says that the anti-Christ will arise out of the new Roman empire. Which means that it would have to be someone from the European Union. Even though Osama-Obama, the Hildabeast, and McCain could fit the mold in their own ways. It just means NON of the candidates are very desirable. In my opinion. But, if I HAVE to choose from only these three people, I'd choose McCain. ONLY because I think he's the right person for the job when it comes to national security. Which I believe is the single most important issue facing our nation at this point. I don't trust the Hildabeast or Osama-Obama. They BOTH have been proven to be pathological liars. Only in it for their own power. Hildabeast has certainly shown that. As for Osama-Obama, nobody knows anything about him. Can't name any accomplishments he's done in his short time in the senate. Just that he SOUNDS GOOD. Or he LOOKS GOOD. BIG DEAL!!!! What are his policies? He's a liar also. I mean, how can he have gone to that church and not known his pastor's ideals or not heard him spew the hatred he has? Give me a break!! I only hope that there's a third viable candidate come November so I don't have to vote for either of them.

Og

The bible is wrong. The anti-christ is a metaphorical tool. Literal interpretations of text from pre-scientific crazy folks who believed in witches and fairies does not make good basis for solid prediction.

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buzz2

The bible is quite true, Og. There are archeologists making discoveries every day that show the bible to be an accurate and true text. If you choose not to believe, just for the sake of not believing, that's your choice. But it doesn't take away the fact that there are discoveries being made all the time that counter your theories and so called enlightenments. So, it is not just by blind faith that I believe. There IS proof. They've even found Noah's ark. How are you going to explain that away? The bible tells with 100% accuracy of what has happened and what is to come. No mistake about it. The second coming of the Lord, Jesus Christ is near. I for one am EXCITED about that.

romansh

Can you point to an archeological journal that shows this?

even http://www.noahsarksearch.com/ararat.htm does not say the ark has been found

all the best

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Og

I was specifically stating this in context of this thread about the anti-christ. Please reference archaeological work (published and peer reviewed) that substantiates any of the supernatural claims. Anyone can write a fiction book that takes place in a real setting and is anchored around events with archaeological support to them.

Beyond that, these people didn't have the first clue about global cultures, the philosophy of the east (i.e. hinduism/buddhism), the location/position of earth relative to other matter in the universe, the neural basis of consciousness, etc.. I can't seem to see ANYTHING that would indicate that this part of the bible is anything more than superstitious bologna.

Again.. What is the evidence. Who is "They" who found Noah's ark? Was it corroborated? Was there radio-carbon dating performed on the boat? How does this discovery fit in with the fact that 6000 years ago, the earth was in much the same form as it was in now and there just ain't enough water to cover all the land?

I think you have just cherry picked pure statements that people have made which, though they support your preferred stance, have no evidentiary basis.

I claim that there is no evidence of the sort and I challenge you to produce it if you claim otherwise. I certainly don't simply choose to "not believe" for the sake of "not believing..." I don't believe because there is no reason to believe.

I suppose that your evidence for Noah's ship also comes with evidence for a global flood and genetic evidence illustrating sequence divergence from a single pair of all living animals approximately 6000 years ago? I know that that last part is flat out untrue.

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buzz2

Go to www.christcenteredmall.com. There are a few archeological finds there.
There's many different sites you can go to and see for yourself, the many things that are being discovered.

Og

Ahh... so that would be a no?

Come on buzz. I'm just asking for a single digital objecct identifier (doi) link to a peer reviewed paper about the noah's ark discovery that "they" made...

There's also the fact that genetic evidence does not allow for divergence from single pairs of all species 6000 years ago. There is much more genetic diversity within species to verify the hypothesis that noah actually carried 2 of all life forms on the boat and then used them to repopulate the world. That's my field, not archeology, so I can speak to that.

Given that that part of the story can't be literally true, I think it's a safe bet that the concept of a global flood is probably more in line with a metaphor for dramatic social upheaval and change of consciousness.

It's not that hard to find a DOI for a paper and post it, my friend. Particularly for something as ground breaking as proof of a fantastical biblical story of the destruction of the world that would have had massive consequences across biology/geology/archeology/etc.

Do you disbelieve that american indians had a continuous culture in north america for over 10k years? If so, how did that culture survive this global flood?

It really sucks when someone just states things in order to bolster their ideology and then works only on the people who are incredulous enough to swallow their scam whole.

Come on Buzz. Just one paper reference to a peer reviewed journal article about this earth shattering truth about the history of the planet and life on it! Just one is all I ask.

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Og

http://www.christcenteredmall.com/di...ark-page-1.htm

This would be the reference from the site you linked. A boat shaped formation of dirt. No study. No carbon dating.

You'd think that something as ground breaking as PROOF OF ALL THINGS IN THE BIBLICAL HISTORY would grab some of the huge amount of ecumenical money available to organizations like the discovery institute and the creation museums for something as simple as carbon dating.

Your claims don't hold water (ironically).

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