buzz2

Like I said before Deb, if you want to give away your money, that's great. But, stop trying to take mine also. You democrats seem to think that taking from the rich is gonna fix the problem. It's not. It only fosters the mess because it creates more dependency on welfare and social programs. It teaches nothing about responsibility and the hard work it takes to EARN what you get. Not to mention, the feelings of accomplishment, respect, and honor for going and earning it for yourself. Tell me Deb... what percentage of the rich folks came from trust funds? Do you resent them too? What about the lottery winners? They shouldn't get that money either, huh? What amount of money should each individual household be allowed to have in your opinion, before they're considered to be one of those "dirty rich people"? I'm curious. Are you comfortable with the govt. taking over half your hard earned paycheck to give to some person who gets welfare and food stamps? So that they can eat steaks and drive a better car than you without having to work for it? I"ve seen just that, many times over. They get those thing like food stamps and welfare for no other reason except that they don't want to work, so they continue to make babies to get more govt. handouts. Instead of cutting them off after a certain amount of time, say one year. So it forces them to go out and find a job. Even if it's flipping burgers somewhere. Oh, but they don't want to do that. It's too much like work. So you just give them YOUR money if it makes you feel good. But, leave mine alone. I had to work too hard to get what I have.

debdodd

where in the hell did I ever say that I was a democrat? stop your stupid arguing all the time and get rid of the chip on your shoulder!! I vote independent ... I don't vote party ...never have ... never will!

Stop already! I never said I agreed with taxes .... stop judging me! what the hell! a few people disagree with you and then everyone that posts here is a tree hugging democrat .... you piss me off with how narrow minded, how damn judgemental you are with out having the facts about people ....

you must be a moron (I'm not saying you are a moron but if you think I've reached the ripe old age of 26? 29? or what ever age I am today, then you just "might" be a huge moron).... if you think I haven't seen abuses of the welfare system you'd be wrong ...

I've taken care of plenty of crack whore's kids, not the kid's fault but they still deserve the care so that while the system is flawed it does some good ... what should we do with the kids buzz? put them in jail with their addicted parents ... put them to sleep like a diseased dog ... unless you have solutions stop bitching all the time .... come up with solutions for a change, let's hear how you would fix it or are you just better at complaining about it all the time?

Now stop for a minute and read your posts ..... are you just wanting to fight all the time .... damn buzz ... you can have all the righteous indignation you want but vent it in a healthy way and stop labeling people unless you have the friggin facts!

so before you go off on a rant again ..... look back at your posts and reread how you pick a fight with everyone ... damn, take a break before you have a heart attack or a stroke!

You have no idea if I live in a huge house or am queen of a double wide so stop making assumptions about everyone .... you don't know anything about me or anyone else just because of a few posts here! You don't even know if I have a job .... hell I could be recovering from cancer ..... my house could be in foreclosure, I could be widowed or my husband disabled, maxed out all my credit cards, closed out my 401K just to make ends meet and ready for bankruptcy or life could be great, great job, lots of money ...... but you wouldn't know would you? Hell no, you want to make up things in your head to label people however suits you ..... so which of the ones do you think are true ... the miserable ones or that my life is all rosy and perfect?

Like I said quit being such a miserable old phart! Jeez you really are a narrow minded man!

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duck

ahem.

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debdodd

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duck

Just being the little annoying conscious I normally am.

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debdodd

I wasn't sure if it was an "ahem" or a "amen"

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pseudonous

First off, I don't resent the rich for making money and in a general way I agree with what you say. However, to say "the less fortunate can invest just the same as the wealthier can." and "Everyone... has the same opportunities..." is not entirely accurate. There are most certainly differences in opportunities between the rich and the poor. Yet, I don't think we will ever have a perfect system so let me skip to my main point.

While I don't have a problem with the rich getting richer, I do have a problem with some of the ways they can go about it. I'm sure you will agree with me here; for an easy example just consider a drug lord. More on the point, the idea of capitalism is that anyone who creates wealth through their labor or through their ideas should get the benefits of their contribution. In this way, people can get richer without making the poor poorer. On the other hand, if we eliminate the tax on income earned through investments we will have a class of rich people that will become richer solely because they are already rich and not because they created more wealth for the country. This means that for them to become richer (which they would under this circumstance) other people will have to become poorer. This is what I was thinking when I mentioned the gap between the rich and the poor widening.

I think the system this fair tax would set up would be very similar to the old aristocratic system with nobles that were wealthy just because they were nobles. And as for the middle class, while we may make more money in the market as well, without an accompanying increase in available goods and services we would just end up spending more money for the same amount of goods and services.

This is why I asked, "Does the "fair tax" address this issue?" and I hope I have made my concern more clear.

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PsiCop

Imagine you're on a game show, and give a wrong answer. "Bzzzt!" is the buzzer that would go off to tell you your answer is wrong. It's an attempt to be funny. A lame one, yes, but that's what it is.
"Fair" is not an objective descriptor. It is, rather, a subjective value judgement. It therefore has no meaning.
Duh ... I have "read the books," I know they contain nothing but propaganda, and I have explained how and why it's propaganda.
The label of "fair" can be slapped on anything one wants to slap it on, but it's particularly difficult to apply it to a sales tax, because all sales taxes are, by definition, regressive (i.e. they are a greater burden to the lower end of the economic ladder). Yes, I know Boortz & Co. have a way around that, which they call a "pre-bate" but everyone who knows English calls a "rebate," but their rebate does not take into account variations in the cost of living, in addition to having several other deficiencies.
The reason why we have illegal immigrants in the US is not because of our tax system. It's because our borders are porous and employment laws are not well-enforced. Changing the tax system to discourage it, is not going to help, because taxation is not the cause.
I agree that illegal immigrants should not milk the country as they do. But the tax system is not the solution to a porous border. Plugging the borders is the solution to a porous border.
What part of "I have read the books, I have found them full of propaganda, lies and distortions, and therefore have concluded their authors are not trustworthy" do you not understand?
I don't "think" it's propaganda, I know it is, and I have explained rather specifically how this is the case. You telling me it's not propaganda, is useless.
Once again, I must ask ... What part of "I have read the books, I have found them full of propaganda, lies and distortions, and therefore have concluded their authors are not trustworthy" do you not understand?

duck

What the heck. An "Amen!!! Hallelujah, Sister!!" Might fit just as well.

The bible admonishes Christians not to judge, and have you noticed how they are the first ones to the box to pass judgment?

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debdodd

that deserves another "amen"

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