All Three Are The Same, But Different - Page 11

buzz2 · 05-16-2008, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by duck

It looks as if the issue of gay marriage is pretty much settled in California. I actually applaud this outcome. The legislature supported the change, the governator isn't going to oppose, and the state supreme court had made its decision.

Not much else to say on the issue.

The basis for opposition is a house of cards, largely, and this will certainly be a major step forward for the constitutionally guaranteed equal protection under the law for all citizens.

Yes, the CA Supreme court changed the law. I guess it doesn't matter that over 60% of the voters said they didn't want "gay" marriage. That's the height of judicial activism. Don't bother asking the people to vote anymore.
It won't count anyway. The JUDGES are the law now. Not the voters. That's just great. And you're OK with this?!!! NOT ME

Og · 05-16-2008, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by buzz2

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Originally Posted by duck

It looks as if the issue of gay marriage is pretty much settled in California. I actually applaud this outcome. The legislature supported the change, the governator isn't going to oppose, and the state supreme court had made its decision.

Not much else to say on the issue.

The basis for opposition is a house of cards, largely, and this will certainly be a major step forward for the constitutionally guaranteed equal protection under the law for all citizens.

Yes, the CA Supreme court changed the law. I guess it doesn't matter that over 60% of the voters said they didn't want "gay" marriage. That's the height of judicial activism. Don't bother asking the people to vote anymore.
It won't count anyway. The JUDGES are the law now. Not the voters. That's just great. And you're OK with this?!!! NOT ME

Hrm... I suppose you'd say this same thing for integration of the South during the 60s? It certainly was not a popular movement there and required judicial AND executive activism to accomplish.

The judges simply interpret the constitution. The judges are appointed by elected officials. The constitution may be amended by legislative action that the people can demand.

The judges are not the law. There's always checks and balances in the system.

duck · 05-16-2008, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by buzz2

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Originally Posted by duck

It looks as if the issue of gay marriage is pretty much settled in California. I actually applaud this outcome. The legislature supported the change, the governator isn't going to oppose, and the state supreme court had made its decision.

Not much else to say on the issue.

The basis for opposition is a house of cards, largely, and this will certainly be a major step forward for the constitutionally guaranteed equal protection under the law for all citizens.

Yes, the CA Supreme court changed the law. I guess it doesn't matter that over 60% of the voters said they didn't want "gay" marriage. That's the height of judicial activism. Don't bother asking the people to vote anymore.
It won't count anyway. The JUDGES are the law now. Not the voters. That's just great. And you're OK with this?!!! NOT ME

No problem whatsoever. Those judges are elected in California. Unconstitutional laws, whether the people vote them in or not, remain unconstitutional. And, if I read the articles correctly, this is a ruling that the governor of that state was waiting for.

buzz2 · 05-16-2008, 02:05 PM

So, when this issue comes up for a vote by the people of CA again,.. and it will come up, will the judges honor what the majority wants? Or will they continue to usurp authority again by over-turning the vote again? If they do so, what's the point of ever having a vote again about anything?
I figured that Arnold the governor would back the judges. He's a RINO anyway. (Republican In Name Only). He's gotta do what his wife and the rest
of the Kennedy clan want. After all,.. they put him in the Gov. seat in the first place.

duck · 05-16-2008, 04:23 PM

Depends on whether it is a constitutional amendment, as they are talking about, or a statute. Statutes away from the state constitution have been ruled unlawful under their costitution.

The world doesn't come to an end with same sex marriage, adoption, domestic rights, etc.

In fact, the research I have read shows that gay couples tend to last longer than het couples. They set a better example in domestic stability.

Jodou1 · 05-16-2008, 11:51 PM

I'll take one from your page Buzz, right is right and wrong is wrong. Even if 60% of people disagree with same-sex marriages it doesn't make it right. Unconstitutional is unconstitutional, and the majority has a responsibility to make sure they don't oppress the minorities.

NotConvinced · 05-17-2008, 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by buzz2

So, when this issue comes up for a vote by the people of CA again,.. and it will come up, will the judges honor what the majority wants? Or will they continue to usurp authority again by over-turning the vote again? If they do so, what's the point of ever having a vote again about anything?

It's not that simple, picture it like this...when the President veto's a law the congress can override it with a certain percentage majority (75% or 2/3 or whatever).

So if the Judges find it unconstitutional, and 60% of the people want it anyway, it seems reasonably close enough for me, to be unclear of an easy Right decision. Now if the people came back and voted 75-80% against it, then I'd say there's a line where the Judges can't override it.

If you don't see it that way at all, look at a scenario where 51% are against and 49% are for, would you want the Judges to weigh in and break that "tie?" I would. Now what kind of margin of victory is enough to not concern yourself AT ALL with the Judges ruling, reasonably 65-75% I'd say.

All that, AND the issue that homophobia is a thorn in Christianity's side that will either be resolved by acceptance, or aid the opposition in eventually ridding the population of Christianity altogether. Homophobia of this extent goes against the very moral blueprint of what Jesus preached. It's like that little bit of Hate hidden in a vast area of Goodness.