Seperation - Page 2

buzz2 · 04-25-2008, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by duck

Please don't lecture me on the Constitution. Thanks.

We have to remember, even where minority opinions exist, we have to have a government where all are equal under the law. A believer cannot be held to be more equal even though that is the majority view.

I'm not lecturing you on the Constitution. You're Welcome.

I was simply stating FACT. Look it up man! It's you who is interpreting the issue the way YOU want it to be. You guys can twist anything around to fit your side all you want. But, facts is facts. And just so we're clear here, I do believe that we were ALL CREATED EQUAL.

buzz2 · 04-25-2008, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by WilliamBlue

I think the most important part of keeping it separate is that the country is not allowed to become a religious state, if it were allowed then eventually we could end up having one religion dictate the laws that govern our lives, as an example see Iran. You may say that this is an extreme and I would agree, but if the country took that path then over time who knows what could happen... I am definitely for the separation and I am very glad that the courts have interpreted it so.

Besides that, I put the christian fundamentalist on the same level as the muslim fundamentalist, they are both nuts. Mostly the christian fundamentalist are the ones pushing for the integration, the mere thought of it makes me shiver.

William,
You're right about the religious state. That's why the founding fathers fled England. I think. But the framers of the Constitution still created it on the principles of the 10 Comandments. Thus creating a Christian state. I believe that's correct. But, please correct me if I'm wrong. I'll freely admit I'm wrong if so. Thanks, Buzz

romansh · 04-25-2008, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by buzz2

Well, since you and the poster before you live in Canada (a socialist country anyway) what would you know about US Constitution anyway? I'm not taking a shot at yall. Just wondering. Do your government schrools teach US policy and history?

compared to which country?

frankly I don't think you would recognize a socialism even if jackboots were marching up your Main St.

greywolf90 · 04-25-2008, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by buzz2

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Originally Posted by duck

Please don't lecture me on the Constitution. Thanks.

We have to remember, even where minority opinions exist, we have to have a government where all are equal under the law. A believer cannot be held to be more equal even though that is the majority view.

I'm not lecturing you on the Constitution. You're Welcome.

I was simply stating FACT. Look it up man! It's you who is interpreting the issue the way YOU want it to be. You guys can twist anything around to fit your side all you want. But, facts is facts. And just so we're clear here, I do believe that we were ALL CREATED EQUAL.

we are not twisting anything around. you asked us why there should be seperation and we have given you several good reasons. the only reason you have given us for no seperation is that the founding fathers were christian. prehaps you think we are "twisting the facts" simply because we are showing you why it is good, and it goes against your oppinion of it.

romansh · 04-25-2008, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by buzz2

There's this guy, Michael Newdow (you spell it). He's down here wasting taxpayers $ filing lawsuits to get our $ changed, so that the words "In GOD We Trust" is taken off.

To be accurate:
it actually should say In God Some of Us Trust

**WilliamBlue** · 04-25-2008, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by buzz2

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Originally Posted by WilliamBlue

I think the most important part of keeping it separate is that the country is not allowed to become a religious state, if it were allowed then eventually we could end up having one religion dictate the laws that govern our lives, as an example see Iran. You may say that this is an extreme and I would agree, but if the country took that path then over time who knows what could happen... I am definitely for the separation and I am very glad that the courts have interpreted it so.

Besides that, I put the christian fundamentalist on the same level as the muslim fundamentalist, they are both nuts. Mostly the christian fundamentalist are the ones pushing for the integration, the mere thought of it makes me shiver.

William,
You're right about the religious state. That's why the founding fathers fled England. I think. But the framers of the Constitution still created it on the principles of the 10 Comandments. Thus creating a Christian state. I believe that's correct. But, please correct me if I'm wrong. I'll freely admit I'm wrong if so. Thanks, Buzz

I think if the founding fathers wanted a christian state they would of done things a lot different, I think they were afraid of a totalitarian government, that's why they set up so many checks and balances. I would also argue that a christian state would want to become a totalitarian state for the reason that it would be intolerant of other religions. If they wanted a religious state they would of put a priest up at least as equal to the president if not the president, they were very smart people and they knew that the government had to be for the people and not for any one religion.

**WilliamBlue** · 04-25-2008, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by romansh

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Originally Posted by buzz2

There's this guy, Michael Newdow (you spell it). He's down here wasting taxpayers $ filing lawsuits to get our $ changed, so that the words "In GOD We Trust" is taken off.

To be accurate:
it actually should say In God Some of Us Trust

If OG has his way it would say 'In Science We Trust'

, in reality it should read 'In the Bankers we Trust', because if we didn't then that bill wouldn't be worth squat. Another might be 'In Corporate Greed We Trust' or 'In a Supernatural Invisible Being We Trust'

, but I digress.

duck · 04-25-2008, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by greywolf90

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Originally Posted by buzz2

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Originally Posted by duck

Please don't lecture me on the Constitution. Thanks.

We have to remember, even where minority opinions exist, we have to have a government where all are equal under the law. A believer cannot be held to be more equal even though that is the majority view.

I'm not lecturing you on the Constitution. You're Welcome.

I was simply stating FACT. Look it up man! It's you who is interpreting the issue the way YOU want it to be. You guys can twist anything around to fit your side all you want. But, facts is facts. And just so we're clear here, I do believe that we were ALL CREATED EQUAL.

we are not twisting anything around. you asked us why there should be seperation and we have given you several good reasons. the only reason you have given us for no seperation is that the founding fathers were christian. prehaps you think we are "twisting the facts" simply because we are showing you why it is good, and it goes against your oppinion of it.

Even though the founding fathers were by loose definition Christian, they were much more the epitome, all of them, Rennaissance Men. Very forward thinking and extremely progressive in their views.

romansh · 04-25-2008, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by WilliamBlue

If OG has his way it would say 'In Science We Trust'

, in reality it should read 'In the Bankers we Trust', because if we didn't then that bill wouldn't be worth squat. Another might be 'In Corporate Greed We Trust' or 'In a Supernatural Invisible Being We Trust'

, but I digress.

I like 'in science we trust'. ...

.. If only, the 'we' part were true.
Bankers and greed part ... a tad cynical for my taste.
There are very few people who would admit to being greedy; it always seems to be somebody else?

**debdodd** · 04-25-2008, 03:48 PM

..... In self we trust ...?