The Anti-Christ - Page 2

**WilliamBlue** · 03-24-2008, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by GX

You have all hit the nail on the head with your prescient comments as far as Im concerned. There is however one more important factor here that needs to be addressed: The media. As of now, 9 corporations own over 90% of the print, radio and television media. It was not like this during the social and political upheavals of the 60's and 70's and it is my guess that the government allowed media consolidation so as to eliminate competition and to foster corporate and governmental control of the information flow. IMHO, the media barons choose which candidate they wish to give saturation coverage and which ones they wish to ignore. Ron Paul was making a lot of headway in polling and the early debates which should have garnered appropriate media coverage but they deliberately chose to ignore it.

In this society, the competitive, accurate, fair flow of information needs to considered as essential to maintaining a democracy by and for the people and the media conglomerates should be forced to divest their holdings to a bunch of smaller companies as was the case in the 60's and 70's.

Yes, this is becoming more and more of an issue, the last presidential election the libertarian party actually pulled more votes than the Green party, but did they get any press for it? Nada.

I have an idea that I believe could help fix some of these type of issues, which I have posted on my blog. This is more related to the corporate ownership that I mentioned in my other post. I have been leery of posting it here as I do not wish to be seen as self promoting. But I am interested in getting some feed back from this group, so here goes nothing...

My Idea

You need to read it with the understanding that it is in rough form and will have to have all the details hammered out.

Any feedback or criticism would be welcome

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GX · 03-25-2008, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by WilliamBlue

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Originally Posted by GX

You have all hit the nail on the head with your prescient comments as far as Im concerned. There is however one more important factor here that needs to be addressed: The media. As of now, 9 corporations own over 90% of the print, radio and television media. It was not like this during the social and political upheavals of the 60's and 70's and it is my guess that the government allowed media consolidation so as to eliminate competition and to foster corporate and governmental control of the information flow. IMHO, the media barons choose which candidate they wish to give saturation coverage and which ones they wish to ignore. Ron Paul was making a lot of headway in polling and the early debates which should have garnered appropriate media coverage but they deliberately chose to ignore it.

In this society, the competitive, accurate, fair flow of information needs to considered as essential to maintaining a democracy by and for the people and the media conglomerates should be forced to divest their holdings to a bunch of smaller companies as was the case in the 60's and 70's.

Yes, this is becoming more and more of an issue, the last presidential election the libertarian party actually pulled more votes than the Green party, but did they get any press for it? Nada.

I have an idea that I believe could help fix some of these type of issues, which I have posted on my blog. This is more related to the corporate ownership that I mentioned in my other post. I have been leery of posting it here as I do not wish to be seen as self promoting. But I am interested in getting some feed back from this group, so here goes nothing...

My Idea

You need to read it with the understanding that it is in rough form and will have to have all the details hammered out.

Any feedback or criticism would be welcome

.

Very interesting idea William Blue! For the rest of the board, I will give a quick summary. WilliamBlue suggests that the $3 dollars we use to check off on our tax returns for a presidential campaign fund goes instead to create a lobby that represents american citizens and keeps the politicians in check. See the details on his link. Im all for it WilliamBlue, the one monkey wrench I see in it is who will decide what type of poll questions this lobby ask the citizens. You will have republicans, democrats, greens, native americans, black panthers etc. wanting to formulate poll questions skewed to their interests that they wish to present to the public e.g. should we allow the lakota indians to secede? Should we free Mumia? Should we save the whales? There are thousands of issues and questions out there. See where Im getting at here...Your thoughts?

**WilliamBlue** · 03-26-2008, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by GX

Very interesting idea William Blue! For the rest of the board, I will give a quick summary. WilliamBlue suggests that the $3 dollars we use to check off on our tax returns for a presidential campaign fund goes instead to create a lobby that represents american citizens and keeps the politicians in check. See the details on his link. Im all for it WilliamBlue, the one monkey wrench I see in it is who will decide what type of poll questions this lobby ask the citizens. You will have republicans, democrats, greens, native americans, black panthers etc. wanting to formulate poll questions skewed to their interests that they wish to present to the public e.g. should we allow the lakota indians to secede? Should we free Mumia? Should we save the whales? There are thousands of issues and questions out there. See where Im getting at here...Your thoughts?

I suggest we take on the big pork or the stuff that costs us the most first. I do not think we should get involved in local disputes as they are not what the federal government is supposed to be about, of course with the caveat that your local problem is not going to run up a big fed bill

The other issue that I feel is important is the big business lobbyist, their spending maybe the one that we most need to balance with our lobby. Of course our lobby would send two messages, one we don't like/dislike what you are doing now(real time) and two we may help you get elected/unelected in the future.

My biggest concern is trying to get this passed as it will be fought by the same interests stated above.

Oh yeah, thanks for reading it and the feedback, I need more, maybe a separate thread?

**The An-Jel** · 03-26-2008, 05:28 PM

I don't see why a separate thread isn't needed for your idea here BUT... have you ever really sat down and listened to people talk? I mean liberals and conservatives and their opinions... how they absolutely support religious candidates and such. The idea while grandiose and well meaning sounds like it would start acknowledging factions through financial dispersement. Ever hear about that group that protests at funerals and calls dead soldiers fags because they fought and died in Iraq. The trick is to know your audience. The people in this forum are for the most part (I say this because we have had some extremely strange religious folks and anarchists that make reason a side gesture) pretty good people and I think I would trust them here with this kind of idea but as for the extreme right and left of the voters in general your idea would backfire because as selfish self interest goes I just don't see good things happening. On the state tax forms where I have resided in is given the ability to donate money to organizations that represent your standings on issues. Free the whales or whatever... I don't give them much attention because I am busy surviving and trying to get to the point I want to be in my twilight years for the most part 24/7.

Try standing up to the likes of political pastors like Wright, Jackson, and the like... not to mention the white Evangelicals.

I like where this company owned by a guy decided to say that if a person smoked they wouldn't be allowed to work at his company. Most non-smokers would cheer at this but it does influence a person don't you think on the issues they will address!

**WilliamBlue** · 03-26-2008, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by The An-Jel

I don't see why a separate thread isn't needed for your idea here BUT... have you ever really sat down and listened to people talk? I mean liberals and conservatives and their opinions... how they absolutely support religious candidates and such. The idea while grandiose and well meaning sounds like it would start acknowledging factions through financial dispersement. Ever hear about that group that protests at funerals and calls dead soldiers fags because they fought and died in Iraq. The trick is to know your audience. The people in this forum are for the most part (I say this because we have had some extremely strange religious folks and anarchists that make reason a side gesture) pretty good people and I think I would trust them here with this kind of idea but as for the extreme right and left of the voters in general your idea would backfire because as selfish self interest goes I just don't see good things happening. On the state tax forms where I have resided in is given the ability to donate money to organizations that represent your standings on issues. Free the whales or whatever... I don't give them much attention because I am busy surviving and trying to get to the point I want to be in my twilight years for the most part 24/7.

Try standing up to the likes of political pastors like Wright, Jackson, and the like... not to mention the white Evangelicals.

I like where this company owned by a guy decided to say that if a person smoked they wouldn't be allowed to work at his company. Most non-smokers would cheer at this but it does influence a person don't you think on the issues they will address!

I am not sure that I quite understand what you are saying, this change I have purposed is basically to offset the spending of the corporate lobbies and hold down the pork(bridge to nowhere) that is tacked on to bills before they are signed. The idea is not to get involved in idealogical arguments or regional disputes. I know that this can become corrupted if the charter(for the lobby) is not written correctly, but I think it would be worth a shot. Again the only thing that it would try to influence are the big ticket(cash) items, things that costs you and I money and put our fed gov. into debt.

**The An-Jel** · 03-26-2008, 06:49 PM

Yes I understand what you are getting at but corruption like in Unions just doesn't seem that far away but I'll give you the written correctly thing because maybe it could work. Outside influences especially in the way the system is devolving these days doesn't have much promise for me.

I fully admit I can be wrong!

Cathy Jean Mockwitz · 04-01-2008, 02:40 PM

"Why do you not ask each individual who desires to be the head of the bounty on the pirating ship...to show you the body of law which gives them the power and right to plunder, wage war, and enslave? I tell you there is no lawful body of law which give them this power. This jurisdiction which you call America...is a massive corporation. You pledge your body, mind, spirit, and soul to that which is alien...and operates outside of the Just law. These illegal and counterfeit jurisdictions and the pretenders who run them are Mafioso. All of their government buildings...churches....schools...banks...
gambling facilities:stock markets etc. are recognized as Mafias. These wrongful law makers...and their police and military forces who remove you from your rightful inheritance are the Mafioso. They rob and plunder the natural:Wholly Family...and have replaced it with the Parens' Patria Act known...as the Holy Family...or a falsified "family" with holes. The Paren's Patria Act is phantom law...which states that "The State is the Parent" and you... little child...are one of its children...or commodities. Why do you think that your birth certificates throughout the world are in their commodity departments. Who are you choosing to be the next Mommy or Daddy...over what they have stolen from you and yours? Be sure to pledge to the sacred pirate's flagss...which...you and yours have been conned into pledging to since you were in their public and private orphanages. Remember your alien "Parents" only want what is best for..."Them."

Cathy

**WilliamBlue** · 04-03-2008, 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GX

Very interesting idea William Blue! For the rest of the board, I will give a quick summary. WilliamBlue suggests that the $3 dollars we use to check off on our tax returns for a presidential campaign fund goes instead to create a lobby that represents american citizens and keeps the politicians in check. See the details on his link. Im all for it WilliamBlue, the one monkey wrench I see in it is who will decide what type of poll questions this lobby ask the citizens. You will have republicans, democrats, greens, native americans, black panthers etc. wanting to formulate poll questions skewed to their interests that they wish to present to the public e.g. should we allow the lakota indians to secede? Should we free Mumia? Should we save the whales? There are thousands of issues and questions out there. See where Im getting at here...Your thoughts?

The poll I envision would be one that had both sides of the argument, just as the ones they have on measures that they present to you at the voting booth. One of my pet peeves is the internet fast lane that the corporations that own the back bone wish to impose on us, the ISP's are already being charged for the bandwidth they are using, now these corps what to charge the individual websites and they claim it is needed for growth, well I call it double dippying and it is ludicrous that our government would even think about it, but atlas the power of money...<rant off>

xexon · 04-25-2008, 02:13 PM

The Anti-Christ is not a person.

Its a kind of spiritual disease that sweeps the world from time to time just like a plague. It causes a retraction of the heart (and it's ability to feel) in favor of the mind and it's cold calculating ability.

Look at the world around you. Where is empathy and compassion?

What we see today is a template laid down by some very intelligent people to control the world through power and force. They may have great minds, but their hearts are stone

They know nothing of mercy.

They live in a different world altogther, where they see you and I as cattle to be herded, milked, and slaughtered.

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