America in the future - Page 2

**Skepticologist** · 12-11-2007, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Trenody

Well as things are it looks as though America's dominance will swiftly dwindle. Most of the populace is either too ignorant or too apathetic to do anything about it. Americans are too disengaged from one another to pull us out of this downfall. I would say give us three decades and China will have surpassed us.

I think your projection of three decades is likely a bit conservative. Have you kept track of China's, or India's for that matter, GDP growth over the past one decade? Simple extrapolation of those data makes it clear that it will take less than even one decade before America falls to number two, or maybe number 3 on the list of superpowers.

And your point that the majority of the American populace is "too ignorant or too apathetic" is right on target. It astounded me that a majority of Americans voted George W. Bush into office in 2000, but it absolutely appalled me that they did the same thing in 2004. Any nation, regardless of how successful or powerful, that chooses someone so devoid of intellectual ability, and so committed to aggrandizing the wealthiest 1% of the population at the expense of everyone else in a purported democratic society, has obviously lost the vision that enabled it to achieve its greatness.

Thestevedawg · 12-11-2007, 06:52 PM

I am a banana!

Trenody · 12-11-2007, 08:04 PM

Very wise words my friend.

Requiem · 12-11-2007, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Skepticologist

I think your projection of three decades is likely a bit conservative.

I completely agree, I'd say at most 20, maybe 25, but most likely in between 10 and 15 years, America will have lost the seat of power definitely in economics and technological development, with staying power only in military might perhaps.

Trenody · 12-11-2007, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Skepticologist

I think your projection of three decades is likely a bit conservative. Have you kept track of China's, or India's for that matter, GDP growth over the past one decade? Simple extrapolation of those data makes it clear that it will take less than even one decade before America falls to number two, or maybe number 3 on the list of superpowers.

No I haven't, that's why I chose to overestimate it.

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Originally Posted by Skepticologist

And your point that the majority of the American populace is "too ignorant or too apathetic" is right on target. It astounded me that a majority of Americans voted George W. Bush into office in 2000, but it absolutely appalled me that they did the same thing in 2004. Any nation, regardless of how successful or powerful, that chooses someone so devoid of intellectual ability, and so committed to aggrandizing the wealthiest 1% of the population at the expense of everyone else in a purported democratic society, has obviously lost the vision that enabled it to achieve its greatness.

I have to agree with you there. But that's what you get when you place the power to pick the governor in the hands of the governed. Especially when the governed are average Americans.

bobleplask · 12-12-2007, 07:35 AM

I don't dislike Americans, but I hope you get surpassed soon.

Many places in the world is a perfect place to live with far less problems than USA and these places are not considered a superpower. Might not even be considered a great power. So if you get surpassed something horrible will most likely not happen. But many of you will feel a loss somehow, but from one point of view a loss that has been brought upon yourselves. And many who are not Americans will feel a victory, which they earned.

On the other hand the scores will maybe just be evened out. China, India, USA and maybe EU will be in the top, but close together. Russia might even get back on it's feet also.

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Originally Posted by Bob Dylan

For the loser now
Will be later to win
For the times they are a-changin'.

AB517 · 12-12-2007, 11:15 AM

You guys all have good points. I understand now what my dad meant when he said:

“I won’t see the day; but I fear for your kids.”

I am raising my 3 kids as soldiers of faith. It is not a pleasant concept, but alias, we are trapped in this world and history offers us a clue to the future. I am in me forties so the next 20 – 50 seem ok to me. That totally ignores the present state of debt we are accruing though.

I just hope and pray for the people that live through the transition. We (humans) have made it before, but then again, the dinosaurs thought that too.

Trenody · 12-12-2007, 12:36 PM

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I am in me forties so the next 20 – 50 seem ok to me.

It may seem ok, but it will most likely not be. Some nations, such as China, seem to be on their way to taking the spot of supreme power from America, and fast. America is only adding to its debt, while these nations are improving their overall wealth. China is selling products in the U.S., and making quite a substantial amount of money in the process. China then lends some of this money back to America in return for federal bonds and what not.

In the end, China is poised to over take America very soon.

Thestevedawg · 12-12-2007, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Trenody

It may seem ok, but it will most likely not be. Some nations, such as China, seem to be on their way to taking the spot of supreme power from America, and fast. America is only adding to its debt, while these nations are improving their overall wealth. China is selling products in the U.S., and making quite a substantial amount of money in the process. China then lends some of this money back to America in return for federal bonds and what not.

In the end, China is poised to over take America very soon.

China, and Japan both are tremendous threats being posed upon America in terms of the Japanese or Chinese "taking over" America. The damage in our economic society that they have caused is increasing yet, and it seems that eventually they will own all major corporations in America. If you have ever been to California you will know the effect the Japanese are having on the U.S. in terms of land ownership and business. California is just the beginning of this catastrophic take over. Our government is too blinded by the Japanese and Chinese giving us large amounts of federal bonds to realize how much the Japanese and Chinese have penetrated our nation. I'll give China 10 years.

Trenody · 12-12-2007, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Thestevedawg

China, and Japan both are tremendous threats being posed upon America in terms of the Japanese or Chinese "taking over" America. The damage in our economic society that they have caused is increasing yet, and it seems that eventually they will own all major corporations in America. If you have ever been to California you will know the effect the Japanese are having on the U.S. in terms of land ownership and business. California is just the beginning of this catastrophic take over. Our government is too blinded by the Japanese and Chinese giving us large amounts of federal bonds to realize how much the Japanese and Chinese have penetrated our nation. I'll give China 10 years.

I agree. Our government is trying to relieve ourselves of the debt, yet in the process is setting up its own downfall.