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09-23-2007, 06:33 PM
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| but at the same time..isnt it proven that no sexual abuser is a one time abuser? they keep doing it until they get caught, and even then, you cant reform a sexual predator. and as far as the death penalty goes.. i think sexual abuse is far more traumatizing than physical abuse and therefore should be judged more harshly. i personally feel like anyone sick enuf to abuse a child prolly deserves to die, but at the same time, i dont think that would be a very smart law to enact because (as several people stated) every incident is different.
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09-23-2007, 10:44 PM
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| I don't think you can necessarily say that sex offenders cannot be reformed. Just because they have similar crimes, that doesn't make them similar people. I agree with Pseudonous and SirArthur, they should be dealt with on an independent basis.
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09-24-2007, 01:27 AM
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Originally Posted by SirArthur Other than sexual, which are pretty obvious, what is children abuse?! A spank? A beating? What boundaries defines such?
And death penalty? You're going a step too far! What makes one that claims death penalty over a crime where no death was involved better than the aggressor on any way? |
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09-24-2007, 08:10 AM
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| Here's a good idea .... all those who are against the death penalty should have to pay for the life long incarceration of those people and keep the bastards in their state .... they can go and volunteer in their state with them, provide the cable TV for them, clothing, etc ..... yeah, let's see how long you bleeding hearts would pay for that ... we'll just transfer all our death row inmates to those states that refuse the death penalty and you can have them ..... you deserve to take care of them!
Those that premeditate death should die ... I am not saying cut your arm off for stealing a loaf of bread to feed your family .... but if you kill someone while robbing a store to pay for your crack habit ...... if you plan and follow thru with a murder .... bye-bye ... quid pro quo
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09-24-2007, 08:14 AM
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| Going on such way, jail will be abolished and all crimes would aim for Death penalty.
deb, do never go to harsh, remember you're just about as "perfect" as any other human and able to commit crimes also. You may not commit that one but commit others equally or nearly equally harmful.
How can one who can't forgive others' mistakes expect other than merciless from others on his own flaws?
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09-24-2007, 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by SirArthur Going on such way, jail will be abolished and all crimes would aim for Death penalty.
deb, do never go to harsh, remember you're just about as "perfect" as any other human and able to commit crimes also. You may not commit that one but commit others equally or nearly equally harmful.
How can one who can't forgive others' mistakes expect other than merciless from others on his own flaws? | Oh pleeeeeezzzzz ..... I am as far from perfect as anyone can get! HOWEVER .... if I ever was (wouldn't happen) or if I ever knew someone who was a child rapist, even if they were related to me, I think they deserve to die for the life they have impacted. Rape is a horrific crime, be it a child or a woman, but especially heinous to a child. There are freaks that rape two year old and under, we are talking beyond freak! what and why in hell do they deserve to live? When they do that they make it so that the child is so internally damaged that they can never have children and the mental burden is forever .... no .... they do not deserve to have any kind of life, even in prison ... the prison's in the US are a joke! The only punishment is that they are behind bars, they still get cable TV, they still have sexual relations with other inmates, food, clothing, shelter .... they deserve nothing, not even another breath of air.
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09-24-2007, 09:22 AM
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| You say prisons on US are a joke... well. You want to change?
Prisons on Europe are now connoted to be so damn good holiday camps that in my town we already come up to see one guy camping at jail door upon release requesting to be put inside again...
Ok, I'm against too harsh prisons, but this is getting ridiculous nowadays!
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09-24-2007, 09:28 AM
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| what country do you live in?
In the US, people in prison have far more than the poor people or the homeless people! No wonder people want to go back to prison. They can watch TV and read books all day ... big deal, sitting around reading books all day sounds great to me!!! The only thing I would miss is my morning diet Coke! 
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09-24-2007, 01:15 PM
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| Portugal.
Our prison people do nothing all day, free food, free shelter, TV, hot water, central heating, sex visits twice a week, brand new jails (they were all rebuilt about 10 years ago), libraries with internet access, next week they will even start the syringe exchange program for heroin addicts...
I don't know... one or two more improvements and I'll apply for a cell to me and my family. Turns to be senseless to work for your life if you can get it all free on jail.
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09-24-2007, 01:44 PM
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| okay .... you win! your prisons are better than ours! Our criminals don't get sex visits, they have to make do with one another ...... and syringe exchange? How do they smuggle in syringes and heroin? never underestimate the criminal mind ... that's nuts .... do they give them a nice bottle of Portugal red wine once a week  see what I mean prison is no detriment ... start killing a few of them and maybe it won't be so much fun!
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