lpstong

Ok... Ok we all now in due time this will come up for discussion. What is your opinion on the Middle East and its woes.

I know in that Isreal will defeat or push back what they consider their enemies and that Palestines and the Muslims will attempt to get rid of Judaism.

I know in due time that the US will pull their support for Isreal. But will not support the Muslim world either in their efforts to get rid of Isreal.

That all the gains that Isreal makes - Muslims will not or do not recognize them. So everything is in vain in looks like theory.

So what is your opinion on the Mid East Woes?

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Brandon

my opinion is that the Mid East will always be in turmoil. The people in that region have been at war for thousands of years. The shear hatred between these people is something that most westerners simply don't understand.

George

It's going to get a lot worse before it gets better and our presence there is probably not helping.
I doubt it. That's one thing that no matter what political party you support it's kind of tough not to see the similarities between the many problems we share with Israel. Being attacked by radical Islam is no fun and as long as Israel remains a U.S. Ally I doubt we'll ever abandon them.
Eventually all of this will come to a head and the nations of the world are going to have to choose sides. Only then will this thing ever truly be over. I'm hoping it ends up more being a diplomatic war than one with bombs but Tehran of Iran has already promised a world without the U.S. so, we'll see...

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taiarain

I don't know. The troubles are driven by ideology which is never good. Makes me think of part of the song, "Marker in the Sand," by Pearl Jam:

Now you got both sides
Claiming 'killing in god's name'.
But god is nowhere
To be found, conveniently...

One thing I'd like to learn more about is the international community's involvement in setting the borders for modern-day Israel and what the debates may have looked like.

Taia

lpstong

I am sure it is mixed result of current administration polices, UN sanctions and mingeled in with bibilical historical facts. Which the Muslims and Jews are both religiously minded. Both recognize Abraham as their father of all nations.

So one can not just step in and say go to your corners since both are religious minded people vs Agnostic belief. One would really have to have a open mind on this part of diplomacy if Agnostic. You may not believe in God, But should recognize the bits of the bible for its historical value that it plays in worldly affairs.

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taiarain

Forgive me, but parts of your post just aren't making sense to me.

I was actually talking more about the establishment of the State of Israel in the 1940's.

I have no idea what you're talking about here or why you are? I am, however, getting the impression you are Christian from your posts and making some assumptions about my religion.

Taia

DizzyDee

Here are a few places to start if you want to learn more about the creation of Israel.

Creating the State of Israel

1947 UN Partition Plan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Zionism and the Creation of Israel - Definition and Brief History - this is a really great summary about Jewish presence in Israel from about 135 AD up to the creation of the State of Israel.

OneofaKind

I think the real question is what can be done from here.

Is there anyway in which the people can live peaceable together.

Personally, I believe one of the greatest hindrances is the external influences

mplltt

This is the widely held belief of every American about the middle east. In fact the situation there depends on three things: 1 superiority 2 oil 3 jobs. As long as there is superiority within the borders of a nation they will sell oil, and as long as there is oil being pumped there will be jobs. If any one of those three things are tipped then everyone blames the Jews end of story. The religious aspect is only a front for the real problems: be the man, have a job and sell your oil. Right now, they say, "hey, we have two sides to everything, because there are no jobs!" SO religious fronts (which remain insurgents) go and enlist people with no jobs to go and kill themselves in the name of "F*%# you, with ALLAH dat!"

This is not a theory.

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miavassallo

You and I share the same opinion. These people will most likely never stop killing one another, and I dont know what makes Bush think that he can help. He cant even give a decent speech let alone save the middle east. I think that we should have just kept our noses out of everything.