jaej

Exactly. I think hate might be a bad translation, because I think the principle there is everything else should become a non-issue. From a christian perspective, jesus should supercede everything, but that also is a fundamentalist misinterpretation.

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lauraclay

That's one thing about some religions. I don't want to let go of everything, even if it does bring eternal, ultimate bliss. I love life. I love getting angry and getting happy. I love the trees outside and I love my bed inside. I am terrified of bugs, but I love that because it allows me to appreciate not being terrified of other things. And if I was never scared, I wouldn't know what feeling safe is like, and I love that. I know if I let go of all of this, all desire, all hate, all love, I would be at peace. But I don't want to be at peace. I enjoy living.

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The purpose of a fish trap is to catch fish,
and when the fish are caught, the trap is forgotten.

The purpose of a rabbit snare is to catch rabbits.
When the rabbits are caught, the snare is forgotten.

The purpose of words is to convey ideas.
When the ideas are grasped, the words are forgotten.

Where can I find a man who has forgotten words?
He is the one I would like to talk to.

Og

Detachment is not renunciation laura. You don't embrace them and you don't reject them. Embracing or rejecting polarizes you to an idea (thus connecting you to it). The point of detachment is in that little phrase about a butterfly:

If you love it, let it free, if it comes back, it was meant to be.

The point of detachment is to enjoy the symphony of life in its entirety. Don't grasp to a verse that you thought was beautiful at the expense of the song. Don't reject an instrument in the chorus that you don't like. Just enjoy the music.

Say to your friend that your happiness is not derived from them. Existence is like a beautiful melody when they are around and it is like a different but still beautiful tune when they are not around.

There's nothing that says you have to become a robot where detachment is concerned. Experience those feelings! Be aware of your responses. Don't be a creature driven by the fickle fluctuations of life over which you have no control.

It's joyful participation in the sorrows of the world. And no sweat if you don't want to do it. Life goes on!

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Chapstiquelova

The thing is Loving life isnt something that religions should preach against, I'm actually one of those people who are into living in today...Live today like theres no tomorrow. Live today like you'll die tomorrow, Love today like you were only given it to live. Enjoy today like the rest of your life will only be sorrow. Life is something to be enjoyed and religions that preach against that arent being to smart in that area.
But you will die. One day you will die. No getting over it , one day you'll have to say goodbye to the bugs outside, to your family, to your bed.
and then heaven or hell well be your next stop, except once you go to judgement after that your either in Heaven or hell.
and this NEVER ends. Life Does. I'm gonna live my life. Atleast I'm going to try to, but i'd also like to know that when I die I'll live with my Father in Heaven . instead of with the deciever in hell.
Hell is eternal...Life could end any minute. You may be young but that doesnt mean you wont die tomorrow...I am young but who knows I may die tomorrow. But I know that when I die my eternity will be beautiful, instead of pain and suffering.
Lets face it, your gonna get angry , your going to get upset, your going to feel sorrow , your going to feel pain, its life, no matter how much you try to live it to its fullest its going to let you down. But when you die you may either have enternal love, joy, fun, etc . Or Pain and suffering will satan in Hell. But its gonna be more than 100 yrs or 80yrs whatever you will live here , its going to be never ending.

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John 15:18-21
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Og

This is the source of suffering.

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lauraclay

So, basically what you're saying is, love everything for what it is, just accept and enjoy the whole? Because I do that, it's actually my philosophy, but I don't consider it detachment.

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The purpose of a fish trap is to catch fish,
and when the fish are caught, the trap is forgotten.

The purpose of a rabbit snare is to catch rabbits.
When the rabbits are caught, the snare is forgotten.

The purpose of words is to convey ideas.
When the ideas are grasped, the words are forgotten.

Where can I find a man who has forgotten words?
He is the one I would like to talk to.

lauraclay

And why is suffering so horrible? Suffering ends, new lessons are learned, happiness is more appreciated.

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The purpose of a fish trap is to catch fish,
and when the fish are caught, the trap is forgotten.

The purpose of a rabbit snare is to catch rabbits.
When the rabbits are caught, the snare is forgotten.

The purpose of words is to convey ideas.
When the ideas are grasped, the words are forgotten.

Where can I find a man who has forgotten words?
He is the one I would like to talk to.

Og

I'm not saying that you don't already experience this.. Just expounding about the neat elementary ideas that buddhism and christianity share. There are many paths to enlightenment. That's why there's so many sects of buddhism with dramatically different roads that don't conflict. Every person is different and comes to the path from a different angle.

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The self is not a fixed entity but a dynamic process of relationships
You & I, no distinction. - Tat Tvam Asi
Become Who You Are

lauraclay

I wasn't trying to be defensive about my experiences. I hope it didn't come off that way.
Anyway, I agree. I'd even take it a step farther. I think there are similarities in every religion, ancient and modern. And I think looking at those similarities can lead to some very important breakthroughs. It can't be a coincidence that religions developed completely independently of each other have such striking similarities.

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The purpose of a fish trap is to catch fish,
and when the fish are caught, the trap is forgotten.

The purpose of a rabbit snare is to catch rabbits.
When the rabbits are caught, the snare is forgotten.

The purpose of words is to convey ideas.
When the ideas are grasped, the words are forgotten.

Where can I find a man who has forgotten words?
He is the one I would like to talk to.

jaej

ajrnher
Such as.

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