The An-Jel

Your a penis correct chris?

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jaej

James 2:14

What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him?

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[quote=chrisnbales;9149]Deer in the headlights!

The Bible tells us that you are either a child of God or a child of wrath. The Bible says that is by grace we are saved, not by works, so that NO man can boast.

PRIDE PRIDE PRIDE QUOTE]

Has it ever occured to you that the Bible could be wrong? To assume that God even pays attention to us and "created man in his image" sounds a lot like pride to me. Where is the support for these claims?

jaej

The correct hebrew translation is 'created man as his image.' Whoever wrote genesis (was it moses?) had it right. We, as humans, collectively are god. We don't represent him; we are him.

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moorehurst

While I have nothing against Christians, and in fact I am far more tolerant of them than they are of me, I am curious as to why a christian should tell me to fear judgement day. Most people on this board expect varying degrees of nothing so even divine condemnation would come as a bit of a shock.

While an eternity of brimstone and torment would obviously be a tad tedious it would still give one time to sit back and think for a while about life, the universe and everything, perhaps do a sudoko or hunt out old, non believing friends.

Honestly, you christians are turning me into an atheist and atheists really get on my tits. I don't want to be an atheist, I am not an atheist.

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how I love Douglas Adams

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Og

Except hat you have to accept jesus christ as your savior. That's the work you have to do right? It isn't just applied to everyone (that would be to powerful and wouldn't keep the coffers full). Christians have to cheapen the murder of a GOD to only apply to the small subset of living that accept the act in some sort of psychological manner.

This quote is idiotic in the face of the central christian dogma that you have to accept that christ is god and that he died for our sins on the cross in order to acquire salvation. If it was given by grace and no work was required then it would be a salvation for ALL mankind and actual belief in christ would be irrelevant. Christians are so psychologically contradicted.. It's sad.

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lauraclay

And even if you accept Jesus, if you then hate your neighbor (you just can't keep up with the Jones'), and never feel truly sorry, then you're going to hell.

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Where can I find a man who has forgotten words?
He is the one I would like to talk to.

jaej

That's not true. If you really believe jesus died for your sin it doesn't matter if you repent or not. It's the ultimate get-out-of-jail-free card.

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Og

This is untrue. If you hate your neighbor and your family and life, you are the only one that can be jesus' disciple. You don't need to feel sorry for it, you need to revel in the fact that you hate these people.

(This is the wrong interpretation, but this is a neat example of something a literalist must deal with )

As a side note, the value of the above verse is very buddhist. It's all about non-attachment to the things in your life. Only then can you follow jesus' path of enlightenment and bliss. When the things in your life no longer control you. Only then can you truly enjoy them and be happy.

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