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Old 05-11-2008, 02:51 PM   #11 (permalink)
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As this was placed in the philosophy forum, I addressed it from that angle. If you wish to involve meta-physics, you've entered another level.

I understand that "pointless" is really the state of no mind. Egoless awareness.

But after you have come to that realization, now what? Sit in a corner all day because life has become pointless???

"God" is hardly static. You shouldn't be either.



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Old 05-11-2008, 04:15 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Well, I'm glad my post made sense to you all. I wasn't sure it was going to.
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There are 2 ways you can look at "life is pointless". As an awesome blessing or as a depressing curse. How do you see it? If God/the universe or whatever said life has a point, that would imply requirement i.e. that you HAVE to do something. "Life is pointless" on the other hand means that there is no requirment and you can do whatever you choose. The latter sounds better in my book. At this point allow me to use an illustration.

Remember when you were in grade school? Think back on a sunny 70 degree april day, the first warm day of the year, right after the last spate of winter weather. You are sitting in the classroom looking out the window and dreaming of being outside and the teacher tells you cant go outside and that you HAVE stay inside and learn your abc's. How would that make you feel? That is life having a point or a requirement.

Now think of recess when you got to go outside. You werent sitting in class pondering the meaning of what you were going to do during recess, you were just daydreaming of being outside and just wanted to go! As soon as you got through that door, you were BEING ECSTATIC and would run outside and make it up as you went along. You had no idea beforehand if you would swing on the swingset or play tag or catch or whatever. You let your sense of ecstasy and exhiliration lead the way and allow that to choose for you at the time what you would to do. In other words, you allowed your sense of BEING (ecstactic) to determine what you wanted to DO (swing, play catch etc.). This is a glorious example of life being pointless. There is no requirement, you make it up as you go along and let what it is you are "being" lead the way.

Which of these 2 scenarios would you prefer Buddha? Life has a point or Life is pointless. If you saw life as "pointless" as being a curse, I hope I have changed your mind.

I would also like to extrapolate what I said on my previous posting. Many of us arent sure of what it is we want to "do". Be it playing music, being a chef etc. We are faced with many choices and feel unsure and ultimately "stuck". Maybe we do know but we cant make a living out of it. Life is pointless! The thing is we are missing the point here (no pun intended). Lets take a look back at the example of recess. The kids have absolutely no idea what they are going to "do" for recess. They let their sense of "being" dictate that. In this case ecstatic exhiliration. That is where adults make the mistake. An adult would think that they have to "do" swingset in order to "be" ecstatic. Whereas the kid is being ecstatic to begin with and then does swingset. The kids have gotten it right and we as adults got it backwards. We get lost in the illusion, societies dictates, overpondering the meaning of life etc.

The moral of the story is if you do not know what to do, think about what you wish to be and let that lead you like the kids do during recess. Do you wish to be happy, loving, creative, ecstatic, wise, aware? If so, then move into that feeling. How do you move into that feeling? There are several ways. The quickest way to give it away to another. In other words, if you want to be happy make another happy. Another way is through affimations. Keep repeating to yourself "I am happy". Yet another way is to remember a time in the past you felt that way, reminisce about it and you will naturally move into that state. Once in that state, desires (what you wish to do) comes naturally and effortlessly just like the kids at recess.

For those of you that know what you want to do but cant make a living at it, you can still be a musician or whatever. There is no cosmic law that says in order to be happy you HAVE to be able to get paid for what it is you wish to do. You can still have a 9-5 job and be a musician in your spare time.

I would like to take Roms Nike ad example one step further and say, drop your expectations and "just be it then do it!"

Buddha, you are more knowledgeable and wise than the majority of the human "drones" out there stuck in the illusion. You are way far ahead of most people and over halfway there. That is a major accomplishment in and of itself. Dont let this knoweldge and awareness go to waste. Time to get unstuck and take it to the next higher level as I have outlined above. Just be it then do it! Its that simple! Dont make it complicated.

As far as those thinking about "taking a bunch of pills" or whatever and I know your all agnostic, but there is a common theme reported from near death experiencers that I wish to share. Those who commit suicide do not go to "hell" but are destined to reincarnate and repeat the same life over again and the same circumstances that led them to commit suicide until they are able to evolve to the point where they choose life. Would you rather go through that crap all over again in the next lifetime or perservere in this lifetime and finally break on through? There are plenty of resources available to help you these days, you just have to make a concerted effort to look.

I wish you the best always!
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Good thing we are born with no ultimate purpose. I'd much rather choose my own purpose in life, wisely.
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Old 05-11-2008, 07:06 PM   #14 (permalink)
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As far as those thinking about "taking a bunch of pills" or whatever and I know your all agnostic, but there is a common theme reported from near death experiencers that I wish to share. Those who commit suicide do not go to "hell" but are destined to reincarnate and repeat the same life over again and the same circumstances that led them to commit suicide until they are able to evolve to the point where they choose life. Would you rather go through that crap all over again in the next lifetime or perservere in this lifetime and finally break on through? There are plenty of resources available to help you these days, you just have to make a concerted effort to look.
Are you suggesting that our consciousness will outlast the death of our bodies? If so, how long do you believe our consciousness lasts?
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The body doesn't choose the spirit. The spirit choses the body. Just as an actor puts on a costume for a part to be played.

Your consciousness is everlasting. The roles you play with it are limited.


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Old 05-11-2008, 07:32 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Good thing we are born with no ultimate purpose. I'd much rather choose my own purpose in life, wisely.
sounds like free will to me .... all this choosing.

Perhaps purpose and we meet?
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The body doesn't choose the spirit. The spirit choses the body. Just as an actor puts on a costume for a part to be played.

Your consciousness is everlasting. The roles you play with it are limited.


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Consciousness is most certainly not everlasting. Only Nature is everlasting, it is infinite. Any finite thing you imagine has a beginning and an end. Ultimately our consciousness is being reborn in each and every moment, so the consciousness I possessed when I started typing this response is not the same as the consciousness I possessed when I finished typing this response. Eventually my consciousness will be reborn in a way that comes no where near how I currently define it, meaning it will be reborn through other people's consciousness and how I affected the world around me and so on and so on for eternity. So while I can't be absolutely certain my consciousness will cease to exist upon the death of my body, it seems completely reasonable to assume it will based on all the evidence we have. Any other assumption is just plain wishful thinking centered around ego preservation.
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Good thing we are born with no ultimate purpose. I'd much rather choose my own purpose in life, wisely.
sounds like free will to me .... all this choosing.

Perhaps purpose and we meet?
Free will is an illusion, and purpose is an aspect of consciousness, not Nature, it is blind. I am determined to choose whatever it is that I choose. Just because everything we do has been determined doesn't mean we can't take an active role in our lives to shape things in a way that we see fit, hopefully for the wiser.
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and you know all of this with absolute certainty because why?
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Because it can never be falsified no matter the circumstances.
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