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to_hobbes · 03-29-2008, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by GX

I finally got a chance to view this video. It was very good and spot on about prayers of supplication which I dont believe in. But then he goes on to say that because of his neat little presentation on prayers that God doesnt exist. How can you prove God doesnt exist solely based on that? ....

Right on! The guy who made that video was definitely too quick to make his non-sequitur point, and this makes the entire video worthless in trying to bring up friendly debate with christians. This video would only make christians angry.

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Originally Posted by GX

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That is the problem with atheists. They base their non-belief solely on the inconsistencies of ancient religious texts and the people who believe them which isnt at all scientific. Atheists can be just as delusional in their self righteousness and their "evidence of Gods non-existence" as fundamentalist religious zealots are in their claims. They are opposite sides of the same crazy co-dependent coin as far as Im concerned.

Yeah, some atheists are like that. Some are not like that of course. I think the biggest problem with contemporary atheism is that it is considered by both religious people and self-proclaimed atheists to be "Anti-God".

I think of atheism not as anti-god, but as a philosophy that rationally explains away God. Atheism lacks belief, just like agnosticism. But many atheists don't even see it this way and they just throw themselves into the political muddle. They hate religion, confuse religion with a belief in God, and then pick the side that they perceive as anti-god and start fighting for their side. As a result, many political Christians make the claim that Atheism is a belief system. Technically it is not, but in reality atheism is something in which people believe.

I think thats a very good reason to call myself agnostic, so I can avoid fighting with people. I can only hope agnostics don't start behaving like those bad atheists, thinking of agnosticism as a belief system and all, but its bound to happen some day,

and then I'll have to find a new word to describe lack of belief.

GX · 03-29-2008, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by to_hobbes

Yeah, some atheists are like that. Some are not like that of course. I think the biggest problem with contemporary atheism is that it is considered by both religious people and self-proclaimed atheists to be "Anti-God".

Hopefully the brights movement will take care of this issue and convince the atheists within their ranks to live and let live and to foster mutual respect. Thats what they state in their charter which is a good thing.

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I think of atheism not as anti-god, but as a philosophy that rationally explains away God. Atheism lacks belief, just like agnosticism. But many atheists don't even see it this way and they just throw themselves into the political muddle. They hate religion, confuse religion with a belief in God, and then pick the side that they perceive as anti-god and start fighting for their side. As a result, many political Christians make the claim that Atheism is a belief system. Technically it is not, but in reality atheism is something in which people believe.
I think thats a very good reason to call myself agnostic, so I can avoid fighting with people. I can only hope agnostics don't start behaving like those bad atheists, thinking of agnosticism as a belief system and all, but its bound to happen some day,

and then I'll have to find a new word to describe lack of belief.

I disagree with you here somewhat. I see atheism as a belief system in a certain regard albeit slight. To categorically and completely dismiss the existence of God, universal conscious force or whatever you wish to call it is a belief in my book. There are too many unexplainable events out there to do this.
Agnosticism on the other hand can be described as a philosophy because it leaves the existence of such a force possible upon presentation of evidence.

kellid · 03-29-2008, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by xxkayxx

Not ready to admit it? Seems like you might be making an assumption about me. I think i know what i believe in tyvm, and no, i'm not ready to admit that i believe in god, because i don't

I chose to be agnostic for the fact i don't have to say that i believe in this, don't this, and i can still get away with it, since its al based (i think) on "only the truth matters". I'd rather worship the great cow lord than have to fully believe , and worship, something thats not even physically there. Since i started this thread, i've come to peace with my beliefs, for the most part anyways. As far as i'm concerned, if a god does in fact exist, and its the one that christians worshp, id rather worship satan. To me, if a god does exist, i wouldn't realy consider him a "god", more like an important force or such, and i wouldnt want to worship something that causes so much pain to everything ^^If you think of agnostics as fence sittrs, that you can easily knock off into your beliefs, you have another thing coming =) (yh, don't take this the wrong way, im just a sarcastic person at times)
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Peace

You got nothing on me I am the queen of sarcasm.

I didn't mean to offend you and you are right I should not assume anything and for the record I personally feel you can believe in Santa Clause if he gets you through the day and keeps you kind to others. I don't think we need to explain our beliefs or feel we have to identify with others in order to feel accepted for our beliefs.

xxkayxx · 03-29-2008, 05:28 PM

kewl! me neither!...btw, no no no, I am the queen of sarcasm

kellid · 03-29-2008, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by xxkayxx

kewl! me neither!...btw, no no no, I am the queen of sarcasm