Nick Treklis

If she has a genuine appreciation for philosophy, reason, and the deeper aspects of life then she ought to have a genuine appreciation for me pointing out her illogic. And while I do find it very unique that not only is she 15, and that she is in fact a she who might need to be dealt with differently at times, I think we ought to treat her like a mature adult, and not a 15 year old girl, when talking about deep philosophical matters. From what I've seen from her so far she's far more reasonable than all of the adult males I know personally. She can handle it.

debdodd

you've got to be kidding me ..... 15 years old is still 15 years old ..... practical level? foundations? they are little balls of hormones, emotions, confusion and what ifs ... judging? judged? ... when you are 15 you aren't that many years away from eating paste in art class .. they still need time to develop thought process and thought patterns ...

sorry I can't buy into what you are selling ... I've studied adolescent behavior (and lived thru my own kids) and you cannot compare the thought process of someone who is 15 to someone who is 25 ... unless it's a guy and they are pretty much the same at 25 as they are at 15 but that's a different thread (jk)

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Nick
If your definition of better is simlar to 'more suited to a purpose, given my/our knowledge' then I won't disagree.

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Nick Treklis

I understand where you are coming from, but judging by some of things she has said on this forum I think she is capable of sorting these things out. Trust me I haven't even tried getting into the most powerful truths yet, the opportunity hasn't presented itself yet. A=A and causality is just scratching the surface. But if my judgment is off and she isn't prepared to discuss these things then this probably isn't a place she should be hanging around in the fist place. Unless of course this is just another mundane forum that encourages the discussion of superficial and mindless topics. Which in that case I'm not sure I would want to stick around.

debdodd

hell I am way older than 15 and I don't understand some of the things you say at times .... the whole A=A thing is gibberish to me .... If you want to talk in truths then you assign "A" a meaning and then you can discuss if A=A. I cannot grasp the concept you are attempting to put forward ... sorry but it just doesn't make sense when you talk about "truths"

what is true when you are 4 is not true when you are 40 .... I don't know if it a time warp space continuum thing or what but life and it's experiences alter your concept of truth ....

I disagree about her "hanging" out here at the forum ... she has the anonymity of cyberspace to seek, ask questions and find out her own truths in her own time without someone else "telling" her that they have the answers to the "truths" ... at 15 you are still formulating the questions ... the answers you figure out in your 20's and 30's ..... I am sure she gets enough of her parents telling her what is the "truth" and here she can discover her own truth ...

She is a bright girl and she indeed is worldly and knowledgeable in many respects but you assuming she is ready to "hear" your version of "truth" is a bit presumtious on your part .... one man's truth is another man's lie ...

I have a difficult time with absolutes .... I don't believe you have anymore answers than the rest of us ... oh maybe in a few areas of your personal realm of expertise but as for knowing the "truths" sorry not gonna bite ....

sometimes mundane , superficial and mindless conversations are fun ... life isn't always about the esoteric and the big truth in the sky. I think you will find some of the simplistic truths in laughing and living ....

you might want to think about the truth of maybe this isn't the place for you either? maybe us/we mindless drones just enjoy one another's company and use some of our downtown to socialize and converse with one another here on lighter topics than what you wish .....

HOWEVER ... it isn't polite to imply that she is too young to be here or that we are not up to your level of intelligence in seeking out answers or truths .... I don't think I interpreted your condescending tone incorrectly .... should you choose to leave because of the quote below ......

"Unless of course this is just another mundane forum that encourages the discussion of superficial and mindless topics. Which in that case I'm not sure I would want to stick around."

oh well .... another one bites the dust .... fare thee well and all that rot but our darling Kay has as much right as you do to be here ... peace out

Whew .... glad I got that out of my system!

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xxkayxx

Wow, i really don't know what to say......

But I'll be sixteen this Sunday :P

Btw, thanks for saying that i can stay here..always nice to know I'm not too uh "young" to be on a forum with so many intelligent people

Sooner or later, I'll be just as old as all of you are now.

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xxkayxx

Yes, i am very CAPABLE of many things, thank you very much. I just don't think it's that big of a deal to discuss why "stuck up people suck" I got your point earlier...thinking that makes me think Im better in some way..OK

I'm still sticking to my original opinion that stuck up people suck though, or are at least narcissistic in some respect. But Everyone has some level of narcissism, some are just more than others, at least that's how i see it....and some have "better" tolerance for how much they might deem a person to be "stuck up".

As you can see, this discussion can go on forever...just like everything else.

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Nick Treklis

I think Kay is more "ready" to hear what I have to say than you are. There's no reason for you to be as over protective as you are being.

I experience enough of the mundane and superficial aspects of humanity without having to look for it on an internet forum. I think it's pretty clear that's not what I'm here for.

It appears you take being unserious quite seriously.

I'm pretty sure it was you who said "when you are 15 you aren't that many years away from eating paste in art class,", not me. I'm treating her like an adult, you are treating her like someone in a special ed class. She seems like she's willing to grow up, maybe you should too.

So which one is it who is the "little ball of hormones, emotions, confusion and what ifs" as you put it, you or Kay?

Nick Treklis

I think you are capable of many things as well, but Debodd seems to think otherwise. I know if I was your age I'd actually appreciate being respected as an adult instead of being looked down on just because of my age or sex. I'm not sure why Debodd has a problem with that.

That's fine, and I probably agree with you that stuck up people "suck" if I'm assuming your definition of stuck up people correctly. Although that's not what I'm really concerned about. I just wanted to point out the illogic with the idea that judgmental people are less moral than yourself, because that thinking is itself judgmental. Like I said earlier, being judgmental is completely natural, unavoidable, and very useful depending on how wise our judgment is.

xxkayxx

Well, nice to know I'll be treated with respect. And i think part of the reason why Debbs is being "over-protective" as you called it is beccause she's a girl (and i don't mean that in a sexist way, just saying) and because she's a parent. I'd probably do the same exact thing if i was her.

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