Nick Treklis

If you do in fact believe stuck up people suck, then one can only assume you believe you are better than them, unless of course you think that you suck too putting everyone on the same level of suckiness. Do you see where I'm going with this?

Nick Treklis

This doesn't change the fact of the matter that one particular thing is better at that purpose than another.

If more is what one percieves as better, yes.

It's not about whether something is useful or not, it's as simple as judging things for what they are. This ties in very closely to our discussion we had on A=A. All this talk about nobody being better than anyone else is just the ego looking to protect itself from taking responsibility for itself. Of course this is not to be miscontrued with the false idea that someone or something is better than another in an absolute sense.

Dare I say that my reasoning is in fact better than yours.

debdodd

I see where you're going with the train of thought Nick but perhaps our friend Kay meant ... people that think they are better than other in an egotistical manner .. or not ....

I agree with you ... I know that I am better than some people ... but not as good as I'd like to be and therefore there are technically people that are "better" than me ....

to be totally hypocritical ... I agree with Kay also .... people that are "stuck up", narcissistic, the ones that fall under the definition of succubus ... do in fact "suck"

so .... you are both correct ..... see being an agnostic, fence sitter is great ... I can agree with both of you and never need to decide who is right or who is wrong ... isn't life grand? Cheers! Deb

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xxkayxx

Yes, that is indeed what i meant

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Nick Treklis

But I'm not arguing whether or not stuck up people suck. I was just pointing out how when Kay makes a distinction between herself and people who suck she is implying that she is better than them, which completely goes against the idea that we shouldn't see things in terms of better or worse. The fact of the matter is that we are always judging things to be better or worse, whether it be people, objects, or anything else. One can deny it, but being judgmental is part of what being a conscious being entails.

debdodd

not disagreeing at all Nick .... I think you make a very valid argument/discussion .... and so does she ... just different perspectives of the subject matter ....

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romansh

I don't think we disagree

It's all a matter of perspective ... it's just that something can't be either intrinsically or universally better than something else.

It's all about judgement and perspective.

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Nick Treklis

That's just it, it's not a different perspective. The idea that stuck up people suck and the idea that it's completely natural, unavoidable, and even very constructive to be judgmental are not at all at odds with eachother. In fact the former confirms the latter.

debdodd

I think it puts it in perspective if you know that Kay is 15 years old .... so her perspective as a 15 year old girl is what it is .... a stuck up person sucks to a 15 year old female .... the shades of gray that you, I and others see ... well she just hasn't had the subjective experience that we have had ... so ... as for myself I try and take into account the age of the person, what country they live in so that I can attempt to "see" where they are coming from and other demographics, kind of look at things thru their eyes if you know I mean ....

when I was 15 I thought everyone over 25 sucked .. now that I am 26 (yeah right!) I know that it is only people over 30 that suck! jk

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Nick Treklis

Right, but this has it's limits like everything else. While it does help to form one's foundation to understand this fact, it doesn't really help us on a practical level except from a fundamental perspective. We are all judgmental whether we admit it or not, it is unavoidable and very useful. But what's more important is that we judge wisely. Jesus' warning "Do not judge, or you too will be judged" was meant for the unwise so that they might perfect their minds first. The wise have no fear of being judgmental, they lay it all out there, they don't hide from judgment, they beg God to be judged.