greywolf90

yes, evolution is a theory, which means that there is evidence supporting it. Darwin's theory is of how species began, not the origin of life! evolution is "descent with modification." it describes how life is changed, not how life began. we are discussing two completely different things. nowhere does the theory of evolution try to explain how life came to exist. have you ever read the Origin of Species or at least a text book on evolution? because i think you are trying to argue against something you do not understand. lets hear your explaination for how we have different species. do you think that we humans simply popped into existance, and that possibly billions of years ago, we looked the same as we do today? i think evolution is more plausible simply because of the similarities in different species.

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Wow GI.. You're very much toting the ID line there. It's the same old argument that has been brought out and beat down. You show a lack of understanding of the systems and time scales involved in the evolution of life on earth.

Your post is literally a word for word blind regurgitation of Behe's claims that have repeatedly been shot down. Go educate yourself.

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Og

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=JVRsWAjvQSg
There, they are addressed in the above Youtube video by the man who addresses them in class, in lectures, in textbooks, and in court cases.

Common sense ain't as common as you would like it to be.

GI, answer me this. You keep on referring to how the claims of evolutionary biologists go against "common sense." What exactly is your "common sense" based on? Do you have an advanced degree in molecular biology & Genetics? How about evolutionary biology? Paleontology? Geology?

It seems like every statement you make is backed up ONLY by your definition of "common sense."

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WilliamBlue

GI can't believe that a self-replicating single cell organism was accidentally created one time in a billion years so he wants us to believe that instead that a whole (all)species pop into existence out of thin air and yet has the gall to talk about common sense, geez.

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GI

You clearly have not read or understood my posts, I never mentioned anything popping out of thin air. You are extremely foolish and gullible people and I refuse to waste time writing posts you have not the capacity to understand.

Maybe I could leave you with a couple of links to TRY and study;

http://www.discovery.org/a/4489

http://www.theory-of-evolution.net/

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Yeah.. talk up the controversy and not the data.

This is a correct statement. And science is making not trying to change it. Science never offers PROOF for any of its claims. Only boat loads of evidence. Also, the field of study is not called darwinism. It is called evolutionary biology, Molecular Biology & Genetics, etc.

These people that you quote take the gem of science (it's seeking nature that never nails down truth as concrete and unchangeable) and twist it around to fit their agenda as part of a broader power grab strategy in the US and in several other nations around the world.

The "discovery" institute is a political action group and has nothing to do with scientific discovery. They make this clear in their "about" statement on their web site.

Take your propaganda and get lost GI. When you're interested in looking at data, start up a real discussion. Open a molecular/cell/evolutionary/genetic biology text or bring a peer-reviewed paper that describes an element of the modern biological community's stance on the theory of evolution and poke holes in it. The authors (and myself) welcome this kind of honest discussion.

But until you can recognize the political propaganda for what it is and separate it from honest search for the truth, you'll continue to be a pawn in a manipulable voting block.

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WilliamBlue

Lol, I would of said the same of you, your links are to general, please post a direct link that shows how non-ID believes that different species came to be if they did not in fact evolve. (Maybe you'll get a convert ) Part of what I read on one site said this;

Which is clearly false, because if we did see a new species pop out of thin air tomorrow then evolution would definitely be suspect, but to assume that just because we don't have the full knowledge of the process that a magical being did it, seems to me, to lack common sense.

This type of argument is in fact propaganda used to keep people believing in said magic, it has been used in the past to keep the earth as the center of the solar system(universe?), you should understand that, right?

Now it is possible, but highly unlikely, that some type of superior being had a hand in the seeding of life on this planet (or maybe it was seeded from space) but I myself am not going to assume that that happened. We will be able to create new life from scratch soon though and once we do that we will have a better understanding of what is required.(I know, blasphemy, you might want to get use to the idea anyway)

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