Herra1

If i were to belive fellow traveler atheist, they would say that they can prove that god dosent exist.
I am agnostic about 1.
Prove to me 1= one.
What it is ?

shadowind

when something or a symbol has the same meaning as another symbol they can be used as one another, A=B, then a equation y=a+c could also be writen as y=B+c. 1=one becuse they have the same value, or meaning, atleast for the majority of people.

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romansh

tough to prove a definition?

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Danlo

I believe these assumptions are known in the mathematics world as 'axioms'...

D.

Herra1

Are You proposing that Your interpretation of 1 is A ?
Okay, i see, then mine interpretation of 1 could be B.
And these things/symbols are equal ?
Am i correct ?
Then, mine 1 euro is same, as Yours 1 dollar(?)

shadowind

if they have the same value. im saying 1 has the same meaning as one. one and 1 are different symbols for the same idea.

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remember "for mere impulse of appetite is slavery, while obedience to a law which we prescirbe to oursleves is liberty"-rousseau: the concept of the general will "if we can not reconcile all opions, then let us endeavour to unite all hearts."-?"to be is to be perceived"-? "‘We can be as honest as we are ignorant. If we are, when asked what is beyond the horizon of the known, we must say that we do not know’-Robert G. Ingersoll

Herra1

Sure, of course.
But then again we are talking about money=value, not about 1
What is the idea then ? The idea of one.
Can You prove 1 exisist ?

shadowind

one what? things are made of other things, i guess it depends on how you catagorize. i guess we make items out out of recongisable shapes, functions, ext. if there is no other item (in sight or just no other) that does such things and is recongised as such then it could be called the only one. or even if there are others we could use the numbering system as a naming system. the idea of one is hard to explain, can you explain/prove one?

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remember "for mere impulse of appetite is slavery, while obedience to a law which we prescirbe to oursleves is liberty"-rousseau: the concept of the general will "if we can not reconcile all opions, then let us endeavour to unite all hearts."-?"to be is to be perceived"-? "‘We can be as honest as we are ignorant. If we are, when asked what is beyond the horizon of the known, we must say that we do not know’-Robert G. Ingersoll

romansh

Lord1
Can you tell us what you'll accept as proof?

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Herra1

1.
You are right, extremely hard. (Tried.)
The Idea of one is explainable(??) in mathematics, but when you try to incorporate that idea to your everyday life, well.
It looks easy, "Look,here you have one cigarette,one, out of 20"
"Yes i have, but how come this one, contains then a filter,paper and tobacco"
Examples like this are plenty.
So, why then, the world obeys mathematics ?
Because of theoretical mathematics/physics, which is then employed and used by engineers we are, were we are. We have, as an example, a computer.
So is this scietific rigour (whatever it is) based on something, what we really dont understand ?