Astral

This is what I was waiting for. There is no such thing as proof. God could appear before your very eyes and you still don't have to believe it. But truth is truth... even if you don't like it, believe it, or hate it.

Occams Razor is a great principle to apply here. "All other things being equal, the simplest solution is the best."

Relativism is just way to complex to comprehend. Absolutes are much more simple. I hope you are not in any kind of research or engineering. Logic is a dictate of absolutes when dealing with electronics. They do not process in relative terms. They run code in an absolute state because that is the only way it works. Your body processes chemicals with absolute instructions. Wouldn't it be funny if it decided to stop metabolizing sugars? Oops, you would be dead though... I guess that is not very funny.

You can say and believe things are relative all you want, but you are only lying to yourself. It either is, or it is not, even while unknown.

NotConvinced

So you're saying Gravity is absolute because you say it is....?

Yeah it's nice, but Mr. Occam probably came up with it based on personal observation. And, are all other things equal? Are you saying absolute truth is correct because it's the simplest solution?
I agree that relativism is complex, especially given that logic is based on supposed absolutes. And just because I'm well versed enough in the illusion to get an electrical engineering degree doesn't mean that absolutes are absolute. Code is written for a reason and specific to a purpose making it quite relative. And yeah, it would be funny if my chemical body processes "decided" anything at all.

Astral

That would be a relative truth. Gravity is an absolute because it is... not because I say it is. It was an absolute before I found out about it, but its property does not change just because I now understand it.

No.. I am using Occam's Razor for supporting principle evidence. Absolute truth is correct because it simply is. And this has already been Tested and Observed to be true. Science is wonderful!

That was a nasty contradiction in terms. Code is NEVER relative, so you are NOT well versed enough.

NotConvinced

How do you know that?

You're saying Absolute Truth has been Tested and Observed to be true?

Quite well versed enough to know you're wrong, heh. The very type of code you use is relative to the purpose of why you're writing it. But we're splitting our one initial argument into 3 now, and in the end I believe we'll disagree based on the same reasons we didn't see eye to eye in the first one.




How do you know that Absolute Truth is correct?
Are you just assuming it does?

Can you give 5 examples of Absolute Truths?

greywolf90

if truth is absolute how do we know what that truth is? i think truth is whatever we choose for it to be. how would we know which is correct and which is incorrect. his truth would be just as true to him as yours is for you. we can say that death is absolute, and that just because someone believes they won't die, doesn't make this true. but what if we somehow found a way to make living forever an option. would death still be absolute then? i have no doubt that absolute truth vs. relative truth is a complex question. my only problem with their being an absolute truth is that how do we know that anything is really absolute?

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greywolf90

i agree that truth is whatever we choose for it to be, but that makes me question if their is really any truth at all. if one person contradicts another person, and truth is not absolute, then is their really any right and wrong? is truth simply a human concept that doesn't evan exist outside of our understanding?

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greywolf90

what if absolute truth was relative to each person? just throwing out some ideas.

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greywolf90

i'll ask again that if truth is absolute, how do we know what it is? yes you could say that gravity has always been their, but for thousands of years people had no explanation for it other than that the world was flat and we sit on it like an object sits on a table.

lol i agree that absolute is simpler, but the reason i asked this question was because of it's complexity. it's fun to speculate and mabey i will come to a conclusion on what i think truth is.

i'll agree that believing something does not make it true for anyone other than the person. but then what difference is their in what we believe to be true and what we know to be true?

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greywolf90

oh i just noticed the "absolute truth" thread. i guess this is all pretty redundant.

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Geshtinnanna

1 when you eat corn on the cob you always end up pooping whole pieces out
2 when you need to use your printer, it always jams up
3 when you have somewhere to be right now, you always have someone in front of you who doesn't
4 when you buy cable with 500 channels, you find at 3am nothing is on TV
5 when you tattoo someone's name on your body, you end up breaking up with them.

this post was brought to you by the letters I am silly

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