AB517

First: who is this Campbell guy? I see his name a lot.

The tiff:

Some people focus on the individual too much. So my brick comment was just an example used to show that if bricks were to arrange themselves in any orientation, brick buildings would be that much harder to build.

Romash’s comment was good because maybe the bricks are inherently good little bricks and did what bricks are supposed to do (In this analogy anyway). Or, if you like, bricks are more like animals and just “did” what they “do” … be bricks. Either way, the wall gets made.

For me the scale tips toward the “many”. We are people …not person.

This is a tricky notion to be sure. I do believe that once we do our duty as individuals it becomes the responsibility of the group to help the individual.

The strength of the wolf is in the pack. The strength of the pack is in the wolf.

The hard part is what happens when one falls. What if the group is acting irresponsibly?

Look to George Washington for some guidance.

He realized the importance of his role. He knew at times he had to act for the Good of the group. He also saw, when the time came; it was time for one man to take control or take actions help the “one man”,
This level of life takes huge understanding and I beat less than 10% of the population understands this. I come from an academic and engineering background that brought me in contact with some “high power” players and I have meet very few that understand this. I had people tell me “I never saw a person with such repur with his “people”. I used to tell then to “kick the “YOU” out of yourself and you WILL be better than me.

WOW what babble , I think I am going through a mid life crisis here.

Katnip89

Joeseph Cambell is an Author, and creator of the "Heroe's Journey"
and a very bright individual.

I'm glad somebody is on the same page as I am ! Yay! "People are people so why should it be, that you and I should get along so awfully....." :P

I may be only 18, but I have gone through a lifetime of wondering how the mass majority of people arguing, and bickering and playing their tiny violins about how their lives are so terrible..... But that's the thing.. They still have a life to complain about.

Also, I enjoy history alot, and yes George Washington was one of the world's greatest leaders. My personal favorite would be George S. Patton. (If people don't know, If so don't kill me) He lead the Normandy landing groups and the whole 5th army into battle. While doing so, carrying his ivory handled 1911 45's . Now that's a 5 star general with style. lol

To conclude my side of the rabble.. I agree entirely with what you wrote. My two cents and from what I've learned lead me to this: One's perception on how to view life greatly affects his/her surroundings. Which is why I strive to be an optimist, because who knows, the grass might be a little greener tomorrow morning

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"People laugh at me for being different, and I laugh at everyone because they're all the same." - Anon

The guilt of man shall be his downfall, and Honesty shall right his wrongs - Me, Myself, and I

If you tell people where to go, but not how to get there, you'll be amazed at the results.
George S. Patton

romansh

Campbell died in 87, he studied, taught and wrote about comparative mythology. Og is knowledgeable on this author. I never heard of him until I joined this forum in October. Og put me on to him.

I have only read two of his books, Pathways to Bliss (written posthumously, from lectures and tapes) and The Power of Myth (the narrative from a 6 h interview with Bill Moyers at George Lucas's ranch amongst other places). For me it was worthwhile, in that it showed me much that I still don't know. If you see what I mean.

PM Og see if he can recommend any books etc.
Avoid The Hero with a Thousand Faces .... as the first book, fairly pedagogic...

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AB517

My pop was 82 in WW2. He spent like 90 days on the line. He rode on a Sherman into Bastogne. The hard part he said was to keep the intensity up after the town was relieved.

You talk about realistic view of life. One day he looked into a wallet of a guy he just shot, saw a picture of what looked like his wife and kid. He said from that day on, when he ambushed a German, he shot him the back of the head and walked away as fast as he could. Liberals hated him because he was very smart and real, he saw right through the theoretical bullshit. My sister, who was a “theoretical” Libby, despised my dad.

When I was younger I like George myself. I was more of a Lincoln, Washington, Bradley, Grant, and Sherman guy myself. The one thing I took when learning about Patton was when you draw and arrow of advancement on a map, be it war time or in industry, you make damn sure you are the tip. Nothing more embarrassing as a so called “man” then to see an executive walk away wit 1,000,000 dollars and the sectary lose her life savings when a company fails.

I have been thinking lately what is theory without experience is. When you say you have a life time experience that is good but make sure you learn the theory too. I grew up in the city (Philly) and am a product of that environment. The best generals are not the best fighters and the best fighters are not the best generals.

I see 3 very general types of people, teaching sect, warrior class, and citizen. Washington was as close to all 3 as anybody. College professors are out of touch, we can’t go around attacking everybody, so, that leaves the citizens to lead us, which I think, for now, is a good idea.

4am now and I am babbling, the baby is happy as can be … the lil biatch.

omg ... I meant 4 ... i forgot about religous class.

Jodou1

As my first post aside from introducing myself, I am giving you kudos. This is a point I've made to my family before. When something good or bad happens it's typically attributed to God. A blessing or tribulation that the all knowing had pre-determined for us. Then there's the belief that God knows what you're going to do, because he is after all "all knowing". Then throw into the mix the belief in Destiny, which for several people I know is the belief in God's master plan.

My mother for instance believes in all of the above, and doesn't see the flaw in it. If God is all knowing and has this master plan which is indisputable, then free will is a paradox.

If my choices truly are my own then it stands to reason everyone else's are too. Which would mean that if someone effected my life either positively or negatively it was a product of free will not some masterplan.

If the above is true, and God is still all knowing, then those choices lose all meaning. Why send us here to make choices that we will be judged on if the judgement will be a negative one. A cruel game indeed.

AB517

This is good stuff here you 2.

1) No one religion has it all, not atheist, and Buddha, not Christians.
2) The other definition of Omni (whatever) is to know all this is POSSIBLE to know. This is the one that applies to this higher power thingie. It knows what can be known and doesn’t know what cant be known. As you guys pointed out, we need to keep in mind what we know today … nothing.

You guys are right on target with the other stuff.

Katnip89

Thanks first off Romansh, for fillin in details. Very Naice, +5 on the Cambell stuff. I just know he ruled... plain and simple.

Anyway change of plans for me, stupid airforce wants me to wait 5 months doing nothing before i get to leave so they my 1 finger Hello.

National Guard it is. Front Lines for me in the summer most likely, and that's just what I want.

Patton was and still is my hero, such a bamf.

But i gtg, its 430 here now too haha.

Gotta go back to work at Pizzaslut >_< in 10 hrs

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"People laugh at me for being different, and I laugh at everyone because they're all the same." - Anon

The guilt of man shall be his downfall, and Honesty shall right his wrongs - Me, Myself, and I

If you tell people where to go, but not how to get there, you'll be amazed at the results.
George S. Patton