AB517

lmao

to funny

good point!

cheeta52

LOL sorry should have been more precise... Insted fo one man we shall call him... the one ( or what ever else turns u on) ( he mite not be the one to most of us ) but "the one" made man fall......the brick thing is very funny as well

romansh

Disappointed nobody nibbled at this thought by Joseph Campbell......... Pathways to Bliss, about story of the fall of man
Anybody, any thoughts?
Thought I'd give this a nudge again.

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AB517

Not to be rude, but it is foolish.
There was no fall of man.

To assume we fell, assumes we are more important than we are … can you say EGO.

It was the “rise of the apes”
I am honored to be part of this chain.
I will be even prouder if, upon our extinction, what follows is built on us.

romansh

Hi AB
I think Campbell's point is we should let go of (at least to some degree) of our concepts of good and evil.... this will lead us to .... I'm not exactly sure what, but something along the lines of an easier heart?
The interpretation is totally a psychological metaphor.... I think.

Regarding your reply ....... I'm with you my simian bro.....

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Skepticologist

I think a better adjective for the characteristic of the christian god you're describing is omnisicent (all knowing). But you point up an essential dilemma. Once you accept the biblical description of god, which includes omniscience, you're left with the quandary of what god knows about your eternal destiny. Will you enter through the pearly gates and walk the streets of gold, or will you be an eternal resident of the lake that burns with fire and brimstone?

And you're right on target with the implications of such foreknowledge on free will. After all, if the all-knowing god knows you're going to be an eternal crispy critter, what in the hell are you going to do to make it not so? And that kind of thinking leads to questions like "Why the hell doesn't god just tell me where I'm going to spend eternity and save me all the bullshit if I'm heading to hell anyhow?"

The very ludicrous nature of such a philosophical circle jerk should make it abundantly obvious that (1) there is no supreme entity, at least as so futilely described in the holy scriptures, and (2) even if there were, it can't be taken seriously given the cruel games it plays with us poor humans.

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NotConvinced

Yeah God might as well just run simulations in his "head" as to who goes to heaven and hell and who worships him as The Creator. Cuz if God knows all then he's ultimately creating a hell of a lot of us who spend a second on earth and then suffer for eternity.......that's exceedingly cruel of a creator. Especially if the whole thing depends on a mental choice or "philisophical circle jerk" in which some would have an overwhelming advantage based on their place of birth, time of birth, family environment, and brain biology.......all essentially rolls of the dice.

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AB517

Oh I see, sorry.

I agree with that 100%. I always say we need to drop what we think we know. Truth seems to be paradoxical to man because man doesn’t know.

I classify myself as a Soldier of Faith now and will raise my kids as such. In my bible studies (I am RC) they do not like that classification. When the Dark Man comes, it is my kind that will be called. We will hold the line, not out of hate, but out of love. That does not mean we will greet you with hugs and kisses, go see your mum for that.

Like in IRAQ. I will hand out water and toys to the children and help raise them. Build schools and what ever kind of church they want. I will take a diffrent approach to their fathers because, like me, they are locked into a belief.


you and Marm have such good posts. I learn alot.

Skepticologist

Yeah, Campbell wrote a lot about following your bliss. But his most important message was about avoiding duplicity, i.e. shades of black and white at the expense of shades of gray. If you don't get that essential principle, then nothing else matters all that much.

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Katnip89

hahahahaha , Romansh thanks for the back support :P

Pretty nice bricks if you ask me, I dunno.

In response to AB517, Could you elaborate a little further? What are we having a tiff about?

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