neverforever

Im not going to proof anything and thats how im going to proof my above statement by not proofing anything.So just listen. No one can proof that god exists and yet no on can proof that he doesn't exist. So what im saying is no on can proof christians right and no one can proof atheists right but i can proof that agnostics are right. Since agnostics belive that god may exist and he may not exist. This is a true statement by my above proof.

Let the discussion begin.

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Vinterland

Before we continue I will clear up the fact that not all atheists, theists, or Christian's for that matter are necessarily wrong. Those who do make a claim on reality such as "God exists" may actually be right, but they lack the knowledge (I assume) of really knowing if God exists.

So essentially, you are correct that agnostics are right; at least "weak agnosticism". But comparing it to atheism and theism is irrelevant because they are not defined by lack knowledge as agnosticism is. Compare it gnosticism.

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And on we walked. Suddenly we heard a voice crying, "This is the sea. This is the deep sea. This is the vast and mighty sea." And when we reached the voice it was a man whose back was turned to the sea, and at his ear he held a shell, listening to its murmur.
And my soul said, "Let us pass on. He is the realist, who turns his back on the whole he cannot grasp, and busies himself with a fragment."
—Gibran Khalil Gibran, “The Greater Sea.”

neverforever

i know i just asked the question because some of these peoples discusions really get me thinking about my own beliefs

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If i talk to god i don't know if he is listening ...
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Vinterland

Ok, is there a belief in particular you want to share? Ask questions about?

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And on we walked. Suddenly we heard a voice crying, "This is the sea. This is the deep sea. This is the vast and mighty sea." And when we reached the voice it was a man whose back was turned to the sea, and at his ear he held a shell, listening to its murmur.
And my soul said, "Let us pass on. He is the realist, who turns his back on the whole he cannot grasp, and busies himself with a fragment."
—Gibran Khalil Gibran, “The Greater Sea.”

neverforever

i was hoping for some theists and atheists to read it and give there proof to weather god existed or not.

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MAYBE

Believers in God are right and atheists are wrong

it's a simple matter really

the bible has many examples of information that no one at the time could have know if it were not provided by God


this is a fact

Requiem

Got any evidence or support for this whatsoever?

Are you aware, that god did not write the bible, man did, and men are more than capable of lying. And what specific information are you talking about.


This sure as hell is not a fact at all, it’s barely even an opinion.

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- Friedrich Nietzsche

"I am ready to meet my Maker. Whether my Maker is prepared for the great ordeal of meeting me is another matter."
- Sir Winston Churchill

neverforever

Dang Requiem you beat me to it thats exactly what i was thinking and you cant use the bible as proof because you cant proof the bible. That would be like me saying harry potter existed because it says right here in the book.

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If i talk to god i don't know if he is listening ...
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Requiem

Haha, that is a very good example, and true.

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"He who has a 'why' to live, can bear with almost any 'how'."
- Friedrich Nietzsche

"I am ready to meet my Maker. Whether my Maker is prepared for the great ordeal of meeting me is another matter."
- Sir Winston Churchill

Symposium

Believers don't need proof of existence, though. That's why they have faith. You can't prove them wrong or right. To them God isn't something you question, it just is.

Harry Potter does exist. He exists as a character in a book, in one's mind, in a movie. The same could be said of a god, I suppose.

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