Buddha

I want to know why it's so bad to kill yourself. Very few people ever make a difference, and everyone will be forgotten eventually. What does it matter if someone wants to off themselves when the world is overpopulated anyway.
Thanks in advance for any replies.

PS.I've had this thought since I was quite young(22 now)and no one can give me a real answer.

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romansh

I personally don't think it is bad (wrong, sinful) to 'top' oneself, though I would prefer the people I leave behind not to have to clear up my mess (actual emotional plus other messes no doubt).

I would often consider it a waste..... I think (hope) most people do have a contribution to make to family, society, art, sport etc.

But to get an answer to your question you would probably have to go to a theist to find out "why it's so bad to kill yourself?"

This likely is a subset of Danarch's thread:

http://www.agnosticforums.com/philos...ght-wrong.html

I don't particulary believe in "right and wrong" when it comes to morality, "wise and unwise" seems a better concept though this is not perfect.

all the best

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duck

With very, very few exceptions (end of life, death with dignity, etc), suicide is the single most selfish thing that anybody could possibly do.

You don't make a difference in the big picture? Few people do. Its the small picture that matters...sorry, this is a topic that really gets me going because I have several students every year that either attempt, or succeed...

What about the people who love and care for you and place value in knowing you? Doesn't that make a difference? Friends who care for you and the family that actually relies on you? What damage does suicide do to them? Plenty.

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romansh

I can think of more selfish things that can be done ..... taking a life that is not yours to take?

I can understand that it gets you going. Is you anger (I presume it's anger) directed at the suicide itself, or the people that drive the suicide, society, the illness, the drugs, the waste, etc?

Don't get me wrong, I understand where you are coming from. We should do our best to avoid the need for us to take our lives. We should try and alleviate their pain if for no other reason other than we don't have suffer ours.

But at the end of the day we don't understand the pain they feel and the isolation they must feel.

Are there no lessons we can take from the death of someone we love?

Death hurts those that it leaves behind; but is it bad or wrong?

all the best

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tohn

Selfish? We are talking about people in great pain and you are laying guilt trips on them. That is emotional blackmail.

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Geshtinnanna

I've attempted suicide a few times. Last one before last landed me in the hospital with a stomach being pumped. I suffer from bi polar (got it from my mother who is severely mentally ill) Now I don't suffer as much as maintain my illness and keep it in check. Why is it so bad? If someone wants to kill themselves I don't hold a moral judgment over them. I know what it's like to want to kill yourself. I also know something else from personal experience:
1) My godmother found me in my room on the floor. She has since passed away but I know that scarred her for life. In my instance of needing to escape being a victim of my illness, I instantly became the perpetrator of a crime against my godmother. Something I will have to live with for the rest of my life

2) Usually when it comes to emotional decisions, poeple suck and are sooo way wrong. Mostly they are really wrong about their decision to commit suicide. Unfortunately it's too late for them to make another mistake.

Until you become one of us, you will not understand what goes through our mind. Your answer is one from an outsider who does suffer when someone commits suicide. It's an understandable judgment made out of hurt and pain....and the inability to understand what's going on in our heads. Don't think for one minute we are rational in that process. We are not. We simply have no concept of the end of a pain that cannot be bared anymore.

Again a valid question. But one that means nothing to a person about to end their suffering. In that suffering we are unable to feel our loved ones. We are unable to function. More than not we are not trying to die. We are simply trying to stop the pain. And our depression prevents us from thinking clearly.

No it does not. And isn't that a terrible thought? Imagine when you have to live that.

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duck

Outsider? Sorry. Too many people close to me have pulled it off to be an outsider. Suicide is not caused by a disease, as you would have us think. It is caused by a failure to control or treat a disease, either by missing it or not being compliant with the treatment.
Am I? Your damn straight I am.

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Geshtinnanna

I didn't mean outsider as in you don't get hurt by this. Suicide effects all those around. The living suffer. I understand that completely. I never said it was caused by a disease. You are 100% correct. It is by a failure to control a disease. But don't be angry with us. That's like being angry at me for having diabetes. It's not my fault. And the poeple who suffer in an illness that think that suicide is the only answer because the illness is keeping us from thinking clearly? Anger towards us is not the answer. Some people can never think to think of suicide. Good for them. Some poeple like me have thought about it alot. Enough to cloud my judgement or lack there of. When I was having my out of control mood swings right after my last strong attempt I would swing every few minutes. A chemical misfire would go off in my head and in 1 minute I could not see tomorrow. And I would think of driving head long into the truck in front of me. And in 1 minute later I was fine and happy. Don't get mad at the victims. Anger is misplaced pain and I understand it. Friends and loved ones of suicide victims have to carry that baggage. And I am sorry for that. But anger towards the victims is uncalled for. Really be more adult than that. Try to be compassionate

I understand your anger. But it doesn't help. Not one bit.

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Geshtinnanna

I made a mistake in posting here. It's too hostile thread and it may cause a trigger in me. I apologize for jumping in and out so quickly. So just skip responding to me as I am not in the place to do this.
Though I would like to leave you with a short clip of my mother a few days ago so you can see for yourself how depression clouds your thoughts:
I just can't be that brave
People get tired. This is how that looks

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duck

Geshtinnanna, that I will accept.

Please allow me to apologize to you and the others. My anger and passion were uncalled for.

Sometimes I do think that we should just allow the gene pool to clean itself in this way without feeling or regard. I cannot bring myself to feel that way. I cannot accept it.

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