DNND

And I'll give you a H.L. Mencken's quote...

Life as we know it is... meaningless. When we die, it probably will obtain one.

Sa\/en

I haven’t read all the posts, so I might be repeating something.

If all these magnificent events that gave rise to life has no point, who cares? If this universe came into being from an infinitely small singularity, who cares?

I am a product of this universe. When I die, my body will melt back into the earth. You are one with this universe. I was born to two parents who offered me food, shelter and human contact.

We all live for different things. There are so many enriching experiences.

For example, when I first smoked pot, the experience was incredible.

When I’m dead, my consciousness won’t exist (no more wonderful experiences). I think I want to hang around for a bit longer. I want to experience more.


If you're happy, why would you even consider killing yourself.

So the question, “Why not kill yourself?” could be answered by saying, “I enjoy my life.”

The discussion over the series of mindless events that gave rise to our existence could be a nice discussion on an intellectual level, but it has no bearing on killing yourself, imo.

I am connected to the things around me. The only reason I would kill myself is because of severe physical or mental pain. Killing yourself because there is no purpose behind our creation is a form of irrational thinking.

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niranjan

It is my opinion, and I also consider it a fact , till I or anyone else refutes it with logical arguments effectively.

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“You yourself, as much as anybody in the entire universe, deserve your love and affection.”

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The most formidable weapon against errors of every kind is reason.

---Thomas Paine

niranjan

As I explained above, if anyone choses to kill oneself for the protection of honour or dignity, or for the sake of a noble cause( defending ones country against aggression or defending the innocent against murderers or rapists or other baad dudes or evil) , there is some value in such self-killings(when there is no other alternative ).

Well, if you have an illness, you fight against it, and try to cure yourself , through whatever way there is.

It is a challenge , and a battle, and just the struggle against it will strengthen and develop you and wisen you up in the long run, as all challenges do.

Your fighting against it, will also set up a good example and positive model of courage and resilience as well, to everyone , and will strengthen their character as well in the process.


I've always found it fascinating that the suicide rate of handicapped people is far less than of those not handicapped.

-- Michael Levine

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You yourself are your only friend. You yourself are your only enemy.

---Krishna ( Bhagavad Gita )


“You yourself, as much as anybody in the entire universe, deserve your love and affection.”

---Buddha


The most formidable weapon against errors of every kind is reason.

---Thomas Paine

romansh

Your opinion I will treat with respect.

Your fact, I will doubt.

So we have refute your fact with logic? Can you give a logical argument(s) for your fact?

all the best

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Geshtinnanna

Your idea of what the mind goes through in a suicidal person seems very limited and pretty much skewed to some romantic human struggle and all that comes with it. This is not how it actually is. But to be honest I guess it's a good thing you don't really understand it. It might just break a person such as yourself.

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Aaron

I haven't had much time to visit the forum lately and I wish I had gotten on board this thread much earlier.

I've experienced two suicides of people close to me:

My cousin Heath chose to end it all. He downed a bunch of pills and then, to be sure, hung himself.

His worthless, piece of crap father abused him mentally and physically for many years and he finally broke.

I saw the pain my cousins suicide caused his mother. She will always live with the guilt that she could've removed him from the situation long before he was damaged to the degree that he was when he chose to end his life.

The other suicide that hit me the hardest was that of my mother. She was finally destroyed by her bi polar disorder after many years of fighting it.

You need to understand that being truely bi polar is a disease of the mind and not easy to treat if the person who has it refuses to believe there is anything wrong with them.

In my mother's mind, the people around her were sick and she was the only one thinking clearly. We tried to get her help but how can you reason with that kind of mentality?

I have plenty more to say on these suicides but I don't have the time right now.

I do, however, want to say that this thread of passionate arguement concerns me because I fear (hopefully unfounded) that someone involved in the conversation may be considering suicide. Let me share this final story:

I am not mentally or physically ill or ever was. But like all of us, I have hit what, at the time, seemed like rock bottom.

In what I call my "darkest hour" I ended up with my twelve gauge with a live round in the chamber resting under my chin. With my thumb resting on the trigger. At that moment, my fight wasn't to pull the trigger but rather not to pull the trigger. At the time, pulling that trigger would have been so much easier than my desision not to.

I have one friend who's heared this story untill now. I'm not proud to tell it.

I've done a lot since that "darkest hour". I've lived through bigger problems than I was having at that time. I hesitantly look back at that moment and think, "You almost offed yourself for that?".

I'm very big on looking at the big picture. This is one discussion, as Duck pointed out, that the small picture is what's important. My brains splattered on the wall would have had no effect in the grand scheme of things but the fact that I didn't do it saved my loved ones a whole bunch of hurt and allowed me to help them through some of thier dark hours.

I haven't since, nor ever will again, think of suicide as an option. Life is tough but I'll be damned if I take myself out.

That is why you shouldn't kill yourself.

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romansh

wow

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duck

Well said and well done, Aaron.

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Sa\/en

So true

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