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10-23-2007, 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by tohn Yeah, "its not about you, its about them." Why don't you take your own advice. Whether or not life is worth fighting for is each individual's decision. You don't know their circumstances. | You are truly lost Tohn
Keep thinking the way you do, I honestly don't care. You'll end up alone and depressed, angry and violent. Keep thinking your the victim of everything that happens to you because of "unfair expectations" the rest of the world has on you. Go ahead. | Just because I think people should be able to control their own lives? You don't understand me at all. | You have that right, so let me turn this around on you....Follow your own advice! | How so, Duck? I'm the one saying people have the right to control their own life.
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10-23-2007, 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by El_Mariachi64 Remember Tohn, your not just responsible for yourself. Your responsible for others as well. You don't live in a vacuum.
This. Is. Not. About. You. | What you fail to see is that everyone's situation is different. And the mental and physical pain suffered by someone may outweigh the pain their suicide would cause. Not all pain is bearable and everyone has their limits.
And you were the one who made quite specific statements about me based on your own imagination.
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10-23-2007, 02:49 PM
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Why not kill yourself? No clear reason. Everyone has their own reason to live and live on. The most common is that somebody depends upon you. But there is no reason to stay alive that we could define and that could be applied to all humans. | |
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10-23-2007, 04:29 PM
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How so, Duck? I'm the one saying people have the right to control their own life.
| The only thing that I would suggest further for you would be to spend a little time growing up and come to a better and more grown up understanding of what rights really are. There are no rights without responsibility.
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10-23-2007, 05:17 PM
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How so, Duck? I'm the one saying people have the right to control their own life.
| The only thing that I would suggest further for you would be to spend a little time growing up and come to a better and more grown up understanding of what rights really are. There are no rights without responsibility. | It is up to each individual to balance their rights and responsiblities and make their own choices. It is not your place to make those decisions for them.
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10-23-2007, 05:48 PM
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It is up to each individual to balance their rights and responsiblities and make their own choices. It is not your place to make those decisions for them.
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If you consider that throughout history suicide was an 'honorable thing to do', we live in a time period where it is not as commonly acceptable. This includes the last century! If we looked at the reasons that were acceptable during those times, we would think that they were foolish choices, because a lot of it was for honor, or embarrassment, and did in fact only please others. At least today we don't have other's telling us we have to do it.
As shown by our politicians, it's OK these days to be without honor or embarrassment, because not only do they not kill themselves, they continue in power; we do in fact give them encouragement to live, we vote them back! | |
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10-24-2007, 12:26 AM
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As the discussion of right and wrong and suicide holds no interest for me I would like to simply add another point of view from a member of that horrid club. I wrote this poem long after my last attempt of suicide. I was emotionally far enough away from the incident to be honest about what it was like in that time. Counting to sleep
I took a sleeping pill
Just one of them I swear
Then took another one
Because the voice did dare
The third it came quite easy
The fourth was hard to swallow
By the fifth and sixth one
I was living in the shallow
Seven felt quite lonely
And eight just tagged along
By the nine and tenth
I wasn’t very strong
I had this funny feeling
And silence came around
Pushed me softly gently
On the calling ground
My body went quite limp
My smile finally back in place
My eyes began to close
And drift inside this space
I didn’t hear her voice
Or the banging of my door
I didn’t hear a thing
Except the lulling of the floor
I took a little nap
While two strangers touched my skin
I didn’t feel the needles
I was so far down within
I woke up in the night
Found my body in this bed
And everything was quiet
Even that voice inside my head
It’s a secret never told
I couldn’t look her in the face
I was full of guilt and shame
And filled with such disgrace
Sometimes in the night
When I am lying silent and still
I dream about 11
Of those lovely little pills
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10-24-2007, 12:38 AM
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Thanks for sharing that.
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10-24-2007, 12:54 AM
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It just occured to me this question is kind of backwards. Why would you do anything just because you can't think of a reason not to do it. Shouldn't the question really be, "Why kill yourself?" Just a thought.
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10-24-2007, 01:21 AM
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Originally Posted by pseudonous It just occured to me this question is kind of backwards. Why would you do anything just because you can't think of a reason not to do it. Shouldn't the question really be, "Why kill yourself?" Just a thought. |
Having problems understanding the question.
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