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12-11-2007, 06:59 PM
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| Hello Niranjan!
A few questions comes to mind. I see that you view life from a positive viewpoint and that I think is a healthy choice. I do have some issues with some of your statements that I would like to ask you. I hope you find the time to answer them. Quote:
Originally Posted by niranjan For one , you are committing murder on yourself ( leaving the physical illness part out of this which is involuntary ). And a murder is a murder whether it is yourself or others. | Question number 1: Why is murder something illogical? To make this quick - The answer you give, what makes that an absolute truth? Quote:
Originally Posted by niranjan Secondly , you are bringing to waste all the tremondous power and divinity that is within you from being manifested, which could go a long way in promoting truth, justice , culture ,goodness and beauty in this world. It can also bring happiness , peace and bliss to you in the long run. | Question number 2: - What defines truth?
- what defines justice?
- what defines culture?
- what defines goodness?
- what defines beauty?
- what defines happiness?
- what defines peace?
- what defines bliss?
Why are these things important and what makes your answer an absolute truth? Quote:
Originally Posted by niranjan Thirdly, you are bringing great pain and suffering to your friends and family. That is sheer selfishness . | Question number 3:
What makes selfishness something not positive? What makes your answer an absolute truth? Quote:
Originally Posted by niranjan Fourthly, you are promoting yourself as a negative role model to society, and others who know you, in their weaker moments, might feel tempted to follow your example and choose the easier path of killing themselves instead of battling it out and emerging triumphant along with being positive role models for society. | Question number 4: - If he is a negative role model, why is it bad?
- If a path is easy, why is it bad?
What makes your answer an absolute truth? |
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12-11-2007, 08:36 PM
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| Very good questions boble, I'm glad someone as reasonable and logical as you participates in the forums. I'm very inrested in niranjan's answers as well.
__________________ "He who has a 'why' to live, can bear with almost any 'how'."
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12-27-2007, 01:24 AM
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| suicide, the end,
its a sign of weakness
a call for help.
a result of clouded and illogical judgement, depression, illness, ext.
its scary for the onlookers. its incorrectly perceived as a antadote to pain by some. it shouldn't happen, it destroys and damages so much.
__________________  remember "for mere impulse of appetite is slavery, while obedience to a law which we prescirbe to oursleves is liberty"-rousseau: the concept of the general will "if we can not reconcile all opions, then let us endeavour to unite all hearts."-?"to be is to be perceived"-? "‘We can be as honest as we are ignorant. If we are, when asked what is beyond the horizon of the known, we must say that we do not know’-Robert G. Ingersoll |
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12-27-2007, 02:12 PM
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| Here's a question ...... is death bad?
it is certainly painful (or at least can be) for those involved or close to loved ones.
But is it bad? ...... a simple yes or no?
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12-27-2007, 04:33 PM
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12-27-2007, 07:22 PM
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| i think whether death is good or bad depends on how we choose to view it. i think the unknown mystery of death is what makes most of us afraid of it. also, the fact that those who die are gone and cannot be with us makes death a sad thing.
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12-27-2007, 08:09 PM
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| I humbly submit that you're missing the point. There's little benefit in arguing whether death is good or bad, simply because it's inevitable. The truth is that death is bad when it's visited on young folks who have so much potential for doing good; somewhat less bad when it happens to those who have never demonstrated any potential for contributing to human society; and an absolute blessing for those who, through age or disease, have no hope of recovery.
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12-27-2007, 08:18 PM
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| Skepti
I understand what you are saying.
Consider this:
My sixteen year old special needs son died April of this year.
You just said it is somewhat less bad than another person's child?
Do you honestly mean this? Or do you agree with Maximus? 
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12-27-2007, 08:23 PM
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| is it bad for a child to be saved from a lifetime of pain and suffering? if there is a heaven, then mabey the living should be pitied more than the dead.
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12-27-2007, 09:47 PM
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| Buudha, Do you feel you need to have meaning or purpose to life to have a life worth living? Something to contribute, the need to be "somebody?"
Can people just exist just because?
For the earlier posts, people are too judgemental. I have a good friend that on several occasions has corrected me in conversation when making such comments as "How could so and so do that" or "I would never do that!". She would tell me that I don't know what I would do because I've never experienced it and she's right.
Depression for any reason is a horrible disease that hopefully many will not experience in their lifetime. I remember taking Paxil about 5 years ago for panic, anxiety and depression all from undiagnosed diabetes for 2 years. I cannot even explain how horrible a feeling it was. I HATED my husband, my kids, wanted nothing to do with them. Just wanted them gone and wanted to be by myself, it was the Paxil and I stopped it immediately but I'll never forget that feeling to this day, just uncontrollable and completely irrational. A feeling I hope I never experience again. I cringe to think how I would feel if I had to deal with those feelings on a regular basis. I probably could have done something drastic just to save them from ME.
I am ahappy person, mostly positive outlook and I love life but it's scary how one change in how the brain functions, chemical or not and the disruption and chaos it can cause.
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