romansh

Hi duck ..... your anger I understand (I think) and your passion I appreciate ....for I have not felt what you have felt.


Geshtinnanna.... thanks

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Buddha

I thank you all for your responses but I wanna know why havent you done it? Have you never thought about it then? What did you do?

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El_Mariachi64

This is coming from someone who has never experienced anything having to do with suicide, either personally or as someone left behind, Buddah, Duck, Geshtinnana, tell me what you think.

I would say I agree with Duck that suicide is "selfish" (in the most understanding of the term possible), but there's so much more to it. Its just so easy, and does not benefit anyone, and hurts many. Its an escape, its the easy way out. I'm a cancer survivor, and know of stories of people who become so overwhelmed with the disease that they would rather kill themselves than suffer through the treatment or the concept that they will die.

But I respect strength, power. I will defend those who are weak, but the weak must at all times fight for strength. One has got to be strong. STRONG. Even when facing insurmountable odds, where its so hard, so painful, every waking second makes one feel that its a living hell, one must have the strength to stand up and FIGHT. FIGHT for all you've ever wanted. That you will live to see all those things through, if not for yourself, then for others. To PROVE, if not to others then at least yourself, that you will not succumb to this terrible hand destiny/chance has dealt you. That you will not become yet another victim. That you are strong and you will stand up straight, head up, and take on whatever it is is going after you. that you will stand up and yell out THIS IS MY NAME AND I WILL NOT BE DENIED!!

Suicide is just a way to escape, to give up. I'm so glad to hear Geshtinnana that your fighting your disease, and that you know that suicide does have consequences that cannot be undone. Just describing the pain suicide causes to others as selfish is counterproductive, since it will only make the person who is already beaten and destroyed feel even worse.

If anyone reading this is contemplating suicide or giving up at anything, don't. This is life is worth living because of all the things you've ever wanted to do, and you've got to fight to do so. Even if you feel you are weak, you are only as weak as you believe yourself to be, you must be strong. Even if things don't work out, you must keep fighting, only death will defeat you. You must not allow yourself to be defeated before hand. You must be strong

tohn

No one should judge others. You don't know their situation or what they are going through. Whether or not life is worth the trouble is an individual decision.

I don't look on suicide as a sign of weakness. I think it takes a lot of strength to carry it out.

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El_Mariachi64

I disagree. suicide is being weak. Being defeated. Giving up. Pulling the trigger or jumping is easy. NOT jumping is what's hard...THAT takes guts. To turn around and say "I'm not done yet." I'm not judging, for I believe anyone has the strength to fight it, to overcome. I'm not saying "if you kill yourself your weak" What I'm saying is that you must fight for the strength to live through these times. I'm saying anyone can be empowered to succeed. Even modest goals are a victory.

If you kill yourself, then you've already lost before the battle was over. Telling yourself that you're done before its done is a sign of weakness. But out of weakness can rise strength, it will be the most difficult thing, and everyday will be a struggle, but one's character will shine through the ability to live another day.

duck

Thank you.

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tohn

You guys are extremely arrogant to tell others what they must do.
There is no reason to struggle if you don't want to.

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Buddha

I think people don't kill themselfs because of fear. Fear of what will happen, what comes next, what people will think, etc.

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pseudonous

I would just like to say that I think it is an illusion that some people make a difference and others do not make a difference. Every person that we think of as exceptional got there with the help of people we do not even remember. Still, even though they are not remembered they were necessary and in some cases very important to those we idolize. Also, while everyone may eventually be forgotten, this does not have a impact on their importance. Consider, how many people even remember who invented distillation and further still who the important people in his life were; still today we all enjoy the many benefits brought to us by these unknown people.

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El_Mariachi64

Yes there is.

While I want to emphasize that I want to empower people to know that they ARE strong enough to fight, to totally deny any sense of responsability is totally selfish. Even if not for yourself, then at least for others.

If anyone kills themselves, they and only they are responsible for what will happen in their abcense, for those they leave behind. The abcense of ANYONE is always felt. You may not want to pay your taxes, to pick up your little brother, to help your mom as she gets older, but it is your responsability, and to dismiss that by saying "i don't have to do it if I don't want to" is dishonorable and shameful. If you have the delusions that your not responsible to anyone...you need to change the way you see things.


I just want to add that being defeated is no reason to be ashamed. As long as you know that you put up a fight and are true to yourself that you did the best you could, then hold your head up high. You fought, and that's something to be proud of.