Why not kill yourself? - Page 13

Geshtinnanna · 11-10-2007, 03:39 AM

I've skipped all the other stuff because it's late and let's face it, we could go back and forth all night long. And I'd rather do that with my boyfriend.

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And why is it that I or others did not get this 'chemical misfire' during my and their bouts of intense depression !!!!!

It's called MENTAL ILLNESS for a reason. Look it up. As a person with bi polar, there is a chemical that misfires in my brain. It causes me to have severe mood swings and other horrid symptoms. It's a disease just like Diabetes (which I have and which has been linked to being related to people with bi polar) The Diabetes is not caused by my sadness to not eat sweets. The Chemical mis fires are not caused by my sadness to not pass some test. It's an actual illness. I had to take a mood stabilizer and an anti depressant for over a year. And my mother has to take meds for the rest of her life. Without it she hears voices in her head that tell her to jump off the freeway. It's an illness. And that's all the focus I am giving to you. If you continue to be mis informed about mental illness and the causes that's on you. I tried. Any more will just trigger me and this isn't worth it.
Good day

Oh wait..upon glancing down at your reply.
You are an idiot. That's all I got

Lecter · 11-10-2007, 03:46 AM

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And why is it that I or others did not get this 'chemical misfire' during my and their bouts of intense depression !!!!!

niranjan, one shouldn't really talk about something when they know nothing about.

You don't develop chemical depression, you are born with it. Just like you can be born with a congenital heart disease. It's not like after you get your heart broken that your heart 'breaks'. I hope I'm using simple words so you can understand them.

People are born with this disease, they don't acquire it from society or their environment, it's not like the flu you know?

I mean sure some things trigger the depressive episode, but it wasn't created by anything from the outside. Likewise you can't catch it from kissing such a person.

It's really amazing how little people know about something and yet try to use big words to try to appear as if they know what they are talking about.

Just stop talking about it, unless you want to gain more knowledge about it. Don't argue about something you don't know **** about or else you'd end up appearing as an idiot.

You want to help those people? Inform yourself.

niranjan · 11-10-2007, 03:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Geshtinnanna

I've skipped all the other stuff because it's late and let's face it, we could go back and forth all night long.

I will be there tomorrow, if u want, geshtie.

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And why is it that I or others did not get this 'chemical misfire' during my and their bouts of intense depression !!!!!

It's called MENTAL ILLNESS for a reason. Look it up. As a person with bi polar, there is a chemical that misfires in my brain. It causes me to have severe mood swings and other horrid symptoms. It's a disease just like Diabetes (which I have and which has been linked to being related to people with bi polar) The Diabetes is not caused by my sadness to not eat sweets. The Chemical mis fires are not caused by my sadness to not pass some test. It's an actual illness. I had to take a mood stabilizer and an anti depressant for over a year. And my mother has to take meds for the rest of her life. Without it she hears voices in her head that tell her to jump off the freeway. It's an illness.

Thanks for the info, on the 'chemical misfiring' , but my friends did not die due to that. They were physically healthy.

You are trying to confine mental illness to 'physical problems'. It is more than that.

If you want, you can start a new thread on this particular subject of mental illness related to physical ill-health.

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And that's all the focus I am giving to you.

Thanks for the info , on this area. I appreciate that.

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If you continue to be mis informed about mental illness and the causes that's on you.

This debate section is on informing everyone on all possible causes of depression, that can lead to suicide, and the remedies for it as well.

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I tried. Any more will just trigger me and this isn't worth it.

Sorry to see that you don't have the mettle for it. It is my experience that accepting challenges brings out the best within us, to a surprising extent.

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Good day

Thank you.

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Oh wait..upon glancing down at your reply.
You are an idiot. That's all I got

Well, wish I could say the same to you, but I am more interested in pushing u up, rather than pulling u down.

niranjan · 11-10-2007, 04:09 AM

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And why is it that I or others did not get this 'chemical misfire' during my and their bouts of intense depression !!!!!

niranjan, one shouldn't really talk about something when they know nothing about..

I am aware of certain 'physical illnesses ' that can lead to depression .

However stating that all suicide victims who died of depression suffered from it, is also not true.

There are many causes that lead to clinical depression, and this is just one of them.

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Originally Posted by Lecter

You don't develop chemical depression, you are born with it. Just like you can be born with a congenital heart disease. It's not like after you get your heart broken that your heart 'breaks'. I hope I'm using simple words so you can understand them.

Thanks for the info.

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It's really amazing how little people know about something and yet try to use big words to try to appear as if they know what they are talking about.

Well, I did ask for information on this particular subject, didn't I,and thanked her as well, when I got it. That was good info.

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Just stop talking about it, unless you want to gain more knowledge about it.

My talk is not only about the depression that stems from physical illness, but also other factors too, that leads to depression and suicide.

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Don't argue about something you don't know **** about or else you'd end up appearing as an idiot.

Hope you are following your own advice.

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You want to help those people? Inform yourself.

Well, I believe thats what I am doing, and giving my points as well.

Apologize if I have offended anyone, in this particular matter of depression stemming from physical illness.

But as I stated above, there are many other factors leading to depression and all these should be addressed as well.

Geshtinnanna · 11-10-2007, 04:13 AM

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Sorry to see that you don't have the mettle for it. It is my experience that accepting challenges brings out the best within us, to a surprising extent.

This is not a challenge. This is simply a trigger I am smart enough to walk away from. I lay no blame. I just know better. So for the time being I will bow out until this passes.

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http://www.helpguide.org/mental/bipo..._treatment.htm

That's a very good link to some basic information.

niranjan · 11-10-2007, 04:26 AM

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Sorry to see that you don't have the mettle for it. It is my experience that accepting challenges brings out the best within us, to a surprising extent.

This is not a challenge. This is simply a trigger I am smart enough to walk away from. I lay no blame. I just know better. So for the time being I will bow out until this passes.

Fine .l respect your judgement. You indeed have contributed positively to this thread . The info from u will definetely come in handy for me and hopefully for others as well.

However ,i believe you can contribute much more if you become more objective or dispassionate.

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http://www.helpguide.org/mental/bipo..._treatment.htm

That's a very good link to some basic information.

Thank you very much for the link.

bobleplask · 11-10-2007, 09:06 AM

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I want to know why it's so bad to kill yourself. Very few people ever make a difference, and everyone will be forgotten eventually. What does it matter if someone wants to off themselves when the world is overpopulated anyway.

It is considered by some a bad choice to kill oneself because most likely someone will have an opinion about it being an unwise choice to do. It does not mean it is a bad thing to do.

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With very, very few exceptions (end of life, death with dignity, etc), suicide is the single most selfish thing that anybody could possibly do.

Automatically, when we are born we receive some responsibilities. We are never asked before we are born if we want this for ourselves. Therefore I would say that one thing that is more selfish than suicide is having a baby.

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I disagree. suicide is being weak. Being defeated. Giving up. Pulling the trigger or jumping is easy. NOT jumping is what's hard...THAT takes guts.

Everyone can not be strong. Therefore when you say it is NOT jumping is what’s hard then that would mean that most people would kill themselves and just a few strong people would continue to live on. This is not the case and therefore I disagree with the statement.

Deciding not to take the responsibilities that were forced upon us all from birth is quite possible very selfish. But in the light that having a baby or killing oneself is selfish; is it always a bad thing to be selfish? Going out with friends to have a good time is about making oneself feel good. Helping an old lady across the street (anyone still do this?) is about making oneself feel good. Everything we do is fueled by being selfish – We do the choices that we think are correct and that is what makes us feel good.

You should post more.

About this topic?

duck · 11-10-2007, 09:47 AM

I am really surprised and dismayed at how may of the posters in this thread have such a negative, fatalistic view of the topic. It would seem that I have a great deal more to learn of our modern times and attitudes.

Sa\/en · 11-10-2007, 01:47 PM

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I am really surprised and dismayed at how may of the posters in this thread have such a negative, fatalistic view of the topic. It would seem that I have a great deal more to learn of our modern times and attitudes.

There is no logical reason to kill yourself, just like there is no logical reason not to kill yourself. If you enjoy your life, carry on living. Its that simple.

Suicide is a matter of choice.

Geshtinnanna · 11-10-2007, 01:59 PM

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I am really surprised and dismayed at how may of the posters in this thread have such a negative, fatalistic view of the topic. It would seem that I have a great deal more to learn of our modern times and attitudes.

There is no logical reason to kill yourself, just like there is no logical reason not to kill yourself. If you enjoy your life, carry on living. Its that simple.

Suicide is a matter of choice.

Not always. There are illnesses that make suicide a symptom of the illness.
There is no choice to get up and run a marathon if you are suffering a heart attack. An illness limits your choices. Especially if the illness affects the organ that helps you make choices. Now it's that simple.