Sa\/en

There is no purpose behind our creation. I was born into this world with rich conscious experiences, some good, some bad. I have experienced wonderful events, and some terrible ones. When I am in a state of depression, I know that there are better experiences out there, and so I tolerate the pain in an attempt to gain rich, rewarding experiences later. There are some really wonderful experiences out there. I suffer from continuous migraines. When half my body becomes numb and my head feels like it’s going to explode, I stomach the pain because I know that when the migraine has had its way with me, I will once again experience wonderful experiences. Every time I have a migraine, I tolerate it, and every time I’m glad that I put up with the pain. It all depends on how much you are willing to tolerate in an attempt to obtain better experiences. For me, hell, I’d be willing to tolerate all kinds of pain in an attempt to stay alive, because I know there are magnificent experiences out there.

Life is not “hardcore”. That is your perception on reality. Like I explained earlier, killing yourself because there is no purpose behind our creation is a form of irrational thinking.

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Geshtinnanna

I have never said otherwise. I gave the reasons why I attempted to kill myself as a person who suffers with severe bi polar. I am in a position to express the numerous reasons why a person with this particular mental illness might want to kill themselves. I have taken care of my bi polar mother since I was 11 years old. I have had experience with treatment in the form of medication, cognetive therapy and support groups as a form of getting mentally healthy. I am in fact an advocate for the mentally ill and help others in my support groups. I think that gives me a bit of experience in why people with mental illness might look to suicide as an only option. Maybe you should re-read my posts kid.

Also TYPING IN CAPS DOESN'T MAKE YOU LOOK SMARTER. Just makes you unable to express yourself in an adult and functioning manner. So go get into your military and, I quote
Why not start with yourself

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Vinterland

Brilliant!

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And my soul said, "Let us pass on. He is the realist, who turns his back on the whole he cannot grasp, and busies himself with a fragment."
—Gibran Khalil Gibran, “The Greater Sea.”

Aaron

And when you come back from your military service crying about how no one understands the death and carnage you have seen with your own eyes, you might remember this thread and decide not to pull the trigger of the gun you have pointed at your own head.

You will learn that it is not as black an white as you think it is. Now, off with you. Go thin the gene pool, enforcer of justice.

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bobleplask

It is considered by some a bad choice to kill oneself because most likely someone will have an opinion about it being an unwise choice to do. It does not mean it is a bad thing to do.
Automatically, when we are born we receive some responsibilities. We are never asked before we are born if we want this for ourselves. Therefore I would say that one thing that is more selfish than suicide is having a baby.
Everyone can not be strong. Therefore when you say it is NOT jumping is what’s hard then that would mean that most people would kill themselves and just a few strong people would continue to live on. This is not the case and therefore I disagree with the statement.

Deciding not to take the responsibilities that were forced upon us all from birth is quite possible very selfish. But in the light that having a baby or killing oneself is selfish; is it always a bad thing to be selfish? Going out with friends to have a good time is about making oneself feel good. Helping an old lady across the street (anyone still do this?) is about making oneself feel good. Everything we do is fueled by being selfish – We do the choices that we think are correct and that is what makes us feel good.

niranjan

And my response is the same. I consider it a fact ,till I or anyone else refute it logically.

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---Buddha


The most formidable weapon against errors of every kind is reason.

---Thomas Paine

Buddha

You should post more.

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niranjan

Hi geshtie, sorry for the delay in replying, as I was engaged in a festival called Diwali in India.

Now back to the topic.

Well, I don't know, but the so-called 'side issues' was enough to turn normal young people into ending their lives.

The 'chemical misfire', which is but the conclusion of a suicidal thought process, emanates from more negative tendencies in the subconscious mind created by psychological abuse, failures , negative environment , a sense of powerlessness for a period of time.

Perhaps the intense negative experience they are experiencing at the moment, reinforces this negativity in their minds, which finally makes them take the extreme step.

It is all cause and effect.





Which shows that you are utterly wrong in your judgement. I have experienced periods of intense depression in my life, and the greatest was when a very beloved friend and relative of mine,who was a gentle and tenderhearted soul, committed suicide which broke my heart.

All in all 8 people who were close to me , committed suicide, the last a mere two months back.

And for this reason, I had taken a special interest in this particular subject, and I have a fair amount of knowledge on it, as I wanted to do all that I can to eradicate this problem.



I admire your sensitivity towards others , who you think needs sensitivity and compassion and understanding.


However I must also ask you to be more prudent in judging others and making conclusions about them, without knowing anything about them.

If you keep on doing this, it is nothing but sheer foolishness and idiocy.

And where on earth, did I say that those who commit suicide are less than good human beings. Stop putting words into my mouth.

Also please get rid of your condescending attitude towards others, just because they have a different belief from you. However you can continue your CA towards me. I really enjoy it.



But the underlying reality of all this is that those who commit suicide(for the wrong reasons) indeed lack strength and courage, which can be created in them in surplus, by right knowledge and wisdom, a strong support system, positive environment, and good role models.

I believe that these four factors are indeed a solution to the problem.

I do sincerely hope that if there is anyone with a suicidal tendency in here, I truly emphatise with them humbly, as I see a reflection of my friends in them(whom I loved deeply) and I would beg them not to do this extreme step,as it is only a catalyst for more pain and suffering for them and for others as well, but muster the strength and courage within them not to do so, overcome whatever problems they have by the power of the innate divinity within them,
and become positive,strong role models for others as well, and make the world a better place to live in.


"The good of the whole is the purpose of the life of the individual."
---Nona L. Brooks


Stand up and manifest the divinity within you.

--Swami Vivekananda

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You yourself are your only friend. You yourself are your only enemy.

---Krishna ( Bhagavad Gita )


“You yourself, as much as anybody in the entire universe, deserve your love and affection.”

---Buddha


The most formidable weapon against errors of every kind is reason.

---Thomas Paine

Geshtinnanna

Actually no. The chemical misfire is born of nothing but a mis fire in the brain. An actual chemical one. There is no background of angst or reason or logic. There is a difference between situational depression and clinical depression. I can only discuss clinical because that is my experience.
As for all the rest blah blah...you have your opinion and I have mine. Though I did judge you by YOUR WORDS and nothing else. Don't like my view of you? I only got it from you.

I agree with you. In the case of situational depression this could definitely be true. However with clinical depression I have experienced wanting to kill myself in 30 seconds and then not in the next 30 seconds. With my severe bi polar the moods changed that often. After a while death looks inviting. Especially when within a mood swing all concept of time gets warped into now now now and the idea that there is a tomorrow is as ludicrous as there is a Santa Claus.

Then stop posting responses that are so judgmental of people who think of suicide. I am only going by your words you type here and nothing more. Your posts are filled with anger (which are understandable) and judgment and hurt (understandable as well) But at least take claim to that and don't try to act otherwise.

Well may I suggest adding to the discussion in a way that would make the next suicidal person who passes upon your words to not feel like **** for thinking about it. You want to help? Have some compassion for the suicidal person so that they can feel comfortable to speak up before hand. Go re-read your posts here and see how welcoming you make it for a suicidal person to want to speak up. It starts with one person. Might as well start with you.
I judge you by your own words. Don't blame me I see you as you present yourself.
It's not condescending. I don't hide my hate. I wear it right out in the open.

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niranjan

And why is it that I or others did not get this 'chemical misfire' during my and their bouts of intense depression !!!!!

Could you elaborate on this ' chemical one' and the steps to rectify it.

That might come in handy.

Fine.



Why should I bother about your point of view about me!!!!

I however am against your emotive attitude and would like to ask you to be a bit more objective while analysing this subject. Only in a dispassionate mind,will knowledge dawn.


That said , I must say I admire your sensitivity towards those with suicidal tendencies and your opposition to the labelling of them as 'weak' or 'cowardly' as it might prevent them from coming forward. That is a good one.

However the labelling of such people as weak and cowardly , can also detract some others from following the same path.

It works both ways.

And finally we have to use such terms over here, as this is the agnostic forums, which emphasize on objectivity and reasoning and finding the truth, and is not a mere support group .( Though I am sure the agnostic forums can also double up as a support group as well,and set the example.)



Sorry , but I have to state the facts. In fact, I wish I had stated these stuff to my friends before they committed suicide. ( I was really angry with myself for not doing that.)

The knowledge could have helped them.



Stop lecturing, please.


More stupidity. These knowledge helped me in my weaker moments to regroup and stand up.


And what do you think I am doing.


Well, you were foolishly assuming things about me, without knowing anything about me. So that is why I said that.

If you can't take it, don't dish it.

Well, I think that is a healthy attitude, as holding up anger can be psychologically unhealthy at times, but then you should also be prepared for retaliation. Like begets like.

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You yourself are your only friend. You yourself are your only enemy.

---Krishna ( Bhagavad Gita )


“You yourself, as much as anybody in the entire universe, deserve your love and affection.”

---Buddha


The most formidable weapon against errors of every kind is reason.

---Thomas Paine