Geshtinnanna

What you are failing to understand is that those are merely side issues in a suicidal person. The brain misfires and suddenly you want to kill yourself because you burned the fried chicken. It's not the burned chicken. It's the chemical misfire in your brain that gets the wrong message. The smallest things because huge. It's like having your skin peeled off. The slightest breeze to a normal person suddenly feels like glass cutting your skin to a depressed person. Over time this kind of pain piles up on someone until they see no other way out. The fact that you cannot understand why someone who fails an exam kills themselves not because of an exam but because of the underlying condition, tells me you do not in fact understand this problem. Nor is that a bad thing. But you should at least be prudent enough to try to understand an issue before you go making opinions based on nothing but your lack of knowledge on the subject at hand.

And perhaps people like you shouldn't keep putting them down as a less than good human being and calling them weak and a coward? More people like you who say that do a dis service to those who are too afraid to ask and reach out for help.

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pseudonous

Good post Geshtinnanna,

I can't really think of anything to add but I have the feeling that what you said will just fall on deaf ears with those that have not experienced depression. Other than to say that depression is not the same as sadness. Many people seem to use the words interchangeably and maybe this is a source of their misconception. And saying someone is weak willed when they are depressed is like saying schizophrenics hear voices because they are weak willed.

This is not a succinct as I would like to be able to say it but I just wanted to add my voice to this important issue. Even though I am extremely doubtful they can understand if they haven't experienced it; It is probably something they should just accept and be glad they never have.

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tohn

Thanks much, Geshtinnanna & pseudonous (if that is your real name) for posting some sense.

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Vinterland

False, I can think of many other actions that surpass suicide in the aspect of selfishness. Have you every heard of murder? Taking someone elses vitality clearly surpasses suicide in terms of selfishness. Gneocide, murder, rape, or destroying other peoples lives by various methods....

In response to the OP, suicide can many times be the least selfish action because it is one other type of murder (besides incidents of self-defense or accidents) that can be justified. I think it has such a stigma attached to it simply because of the amount of value people generaly place on their own life, and they tend to fail to relate with the person who took their life and so they say, "what a selfish bastard." It's this kind of short-sightedness that keeps the common concept of what suicide is prevelant through many socities.

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And my soul said, "Let us pass on. He is the realist, who turns his back on the whole he cannot grasp, and busies himself with a fragment."
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Buddha

I'd like to thank everyone for their feed back on this hard subject.

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Drizzling Blur

Why not ?

When i know what i want and when i have had enough of everything i want, i think i will, but instantly as in randomly i would never kill myself, i would think about everything that i ever wanted and do it all and then comfortably id rest myself in the arms of my decision.

Dying too needs courage, i need to build it up, i once tried jumping off a building and i just could not, i could not believe i was doing this and at that moment all i thought was to give myself an other chance, nothing much changed though, some day i will jump off that wall.

Buddha

That's the spirit!

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Maximus

Well some people get to the point where they see life as a waste of time they choose not to comply with.

Many highly intelligent people have killed themselves.

I also see life as wasting time until you die, but right now I have too much with which to have fun with, but that could change quite easily.

Vinterland

One might say that they see the time prior to their non-human existence as utterly wasteful; and that only meaningful time in the history of the universe was during the period in which they lived and then died. It all depends on perspective, so if you don't mind me asking, why do you see living as wasting time before death?

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And on we walked. Suddenly we heard a voice crying, "This is the sea. This is the deep sea. This is the vast and mighty sea." And when we reached the voice it was a man whose back was turned to the sea, and at his ear he held a shell, listening to its murmur.
And my soul said, "Let us pass on. He is the realist, who turns his back on the whole he cannot grasp, and busies himself with a fragment."
—Gibran Khalil Gibran, “The Greater Sea.”

GrandmasterTheGameOfLife

I totally disagree with your post Geshtinnanna! First off your in no position as to say why another person kills their self (as if you are a mind reader). Secondly it P R O B A B L Y has to do with the fact that someone who takes their own life

Looks for a true purpose for being, and can't find one

All they truly know is that they are a small monkey who grew into a big monkey that they are hungry , thirsty, and need to breath. That their are billions of other monkeys walking around just like them just as hungry and thirsty as they are and it's a brutal fight for survival.

They figure that ULTIMATELY in the end every monkey dies so why suffer any more by trying to fight the competition. THE FACT IS THAT THIS WORLD IS HARDCORE! SOME PEOPLE CAN'T HACK IT. WHILE OTHERS ARE BLINDED BY TOO MUCH SOFT LIVING.