Why not kill yourself? - Page 10

duck · 10-30-2007, 01:54 PM

I have found this thread to be very provocative and profound on a highly emotional as well as intellectual level. Well done, everybody.

Geshtinnanna · 10-30-2007, 02:44 PM

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I do, however, want to say that this thread of passionate arguement concerns me because I fear (hopefully unfounded) that someone involved in the conversation may be considering suicide

I agree. One of the big problems is that those people who try to reach out and talk about their thoughts of suicide run into this type of hostile situation. And it forces the suicidal person to be unable to come forward. If you are unable to talk about the problem, you end up taking care of it any way you can. As I understand those who are angry..I also understand those who are too ashamed to step up and ask for help.
Suicide is not a crime someone needs to be punished for.
So stop treating those of us who are still here like a criminal.
That's all I really want to say.

Aaron · 11-01-2007, 02:03 AM

Thanks Geshtinnanna, duck, SA\/EN and all.

niranjan · 11-01-2007, 11:45 AM

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It is my opinion, and I also consider it a fact , till I or anyone else refutes it with logical arguments effectively.

Your opinion I will treat with respect.

Thank you.

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Your fact, I will doubt.

Which you are free to do so.

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So we have refute your fact with logic? Can you give a logical argument(s) for your fact?

all the best

Well, I do know of people who committed suicide out of failures in exams, career, or love affairs or financial problems.

I definetely believe that that was not the end of the world for them, but they chose not to see it that way, and it was really a waste of young beautiful life, the way i see it.

Hope that is logical enough for u.

niranjan · 11-01-2007, 12:00 PM

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I want to know why it's so bad to kill yourself.
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Murder is baaad , and here you are still indulging in murder, of yourself.

Like Duck said, if one is killing oneself for the sake of dignity , or for the sake of a noble cause(when there is no other alternative), there is some value in such self-killing.

But killing oneself out of depression or fear or pain or escapism is sheer stupidity and shows lack of courage and strength .

So if one chooses to kill themselves it's deemed valiant in some way?

As I explained above, if anyone choses to kill oneself for the protection of honour or dignity, or for the sake of a noble cause( defending ones country against aggression or defending the innocent against murderers or rapists or other baad dudes or evil) , there is some value in such self-killings(when there is no other alternative ).

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Though if one chooses to kill themselves because they have an illness it's deemed cowardly? Can you please explain the idiocy of this?

Well, if you have an illness, you fight against it, and try to cure yourself , through whatever way there is.

It is a challenge , and a battle, and just the struggle against it will strengthen and develop you and wisen you up in the long run, as all challenges do.

Your fighting against it, will also set up a good example and positive model of courage and resilience as well, to everyone , and will strengthen their character as well in the process.

I've always found it fascinating that the suicide rate of handicapped people is far less than of those not handicapped.

-- Michael Levine

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Your idea of what the mind goes through in a suicidal person seems very limited and pretty much skewed to some romantic human struggle and all that comes with it.

Well, I had my moments of despair in life like anyone else, and these wisdom helped me to get through them. So I suppose, romance is a good thing in the long run.

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This is not how it actually is. But to be honest I guess it's a good thing you don't really understand it.

And I suppose you know me well enough to know that I don't understand it, right geshtie.

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It might just break a person such as yourself.

The hammer shatters glass, but forges steel.

--- Russian proverb

I guess I am glass after all, but I am glad you are of steel ,geshtie.

Buddha · 11-01-2007, 12:47 PM

She's right you don't understand it. I wont hold it against you though.

niranjan · 11-03-2007, 03:36 AM

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She's right you don't understand it.

Oh,so you too know me very well indeed!!! Thats great.

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I wont hold it against you though.

I think you should hold it against me. Out of a good vaadic debate, some good answers might pop out, which can be helpful to all.

romansh · 11-03-2007, 11:38 AM

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Well, I do know of people who committed suicide out of failures in exams, career, or love affairs or financial problems.

I definetely believe that that was not the end of the world for them, but they chose not to see it that way, and it was really a waste of young beautiful life, the way i see it.

Hope that is logical enough for u.

Thankyou niranjan,
I'm not sure it is logical, but I do find your belief reasonable and for the most part I believe that too.

but..... the fact I was referring to was.....

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But killing oneself out of depression or fear or pain or escapism is sheer stupidity and shows lack of courage and strength.

all the best

niranjan · 11-03-2007, 12:29 PM

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Well, I do know of people who committed suicide out of failures in exams, career, or love affairs or financial problems.

I definetely believe that that was not the end of the world for them, but they chose not to see it that way, and it was really a waste of young beautiful life, the way i see it.

Hope that is logical enough for u.

Thankyou niranjan,
I'm not sure it is logical, but I do find your belief reasonable and for the most part I believe that too.

but..... the fact I was referring to was.....

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But killing oneself out of depression or fear or pain or escapism is sheer stupidity and shows lack of courage and strength.

all the best

And I stand by what I said. Killing yourself out of depression or fear or escapism out of low marks in exams, financial problems or failed love affairs, or failures, or phobias indeed is sheer stupidity and shows lack of strength and courage. It is also a tremondous source of pain and suffering to their loved ones and friends and traumatises them as well.

Perhaps wisdom , or good role models, or a good,positive environment or a good support system could have helped these people to survive their adversities and keep soldiering on.

A good society should emphasize on all the four above factors, in order to trim down the suicide rates. I believe it should go the extra mile with respect to them.

romansh · 11-03-2007, 12:34 PM

Hi N
Your opinion and belief I will respect
But is it a fact?

all the best