Capital Punishment: Yay or nay? - Page 4

jaej · 02-22-2007, 10:57 AM

That's why I put 'civilized' in quotes. I understand where you're coming from, though.

And no, you don't offend me. It takes a lot, and probably won't happen on the Internet.

**debdodd** · 02-22-2007, 03:42 PM

happy to hear you can handle it LOL.

I've avoided ever getting into cyber chat before so perhaps being new to this whole aspect of having the ability to speak your mind without having face to face time with that person has made me go a little overboard. I've just held it in for so many years, I guess I suddenly decided to step outside of my safe area. In my little cookie cutter world in suburbia my thoughts are way outside of my family and "friends". I shouldn't care what they think but I do it for my kids and husband. I can't always be the strange Mom/wife, so over the years I decided to keep things to myself, while inside telling them to go "

" themselves.Of course if by some odd twist of fate one of the Boy Scout Mom's ever decide to check out this forum .... I'm screwed ... maybe I need to develop a "non de plume" for this forum. I kinda like "she who must be obeyed" or perhaps just Jane Doe.

I've found joy in lively debate within this forum.... thanks!

**The An-Jel** · 02-22-2007, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by debdodd

I have a problem with your view ... you see, in theory I agree with you ... in a civilized society we shouldn't have to resort to killing others but look around you ... you call this a civilized society? I would love to live in a Utopia of civilization but unfortunately not everyone cooperates and behaves "civil". If they behave like rabid animals then we should have the responsibility as civilized people to have them "put down" the same as a rabid dog. We don't want the rabid dog to bite anyone ... and I'm sure none of us want the rabid human to bite again either.

I'm sure you believe the rhetoric you spout so easily. But there are a few instances that the rabid human needs to be put down. Did you know that pedophiles can never be cured? It's true, google it if you don't believe me. They can never be cured only helped to control their behavior impusles ... the docs do a little Pavlovian work with them ... touch the kid ...zap ...think of the kid ... zap .... but ulitmately the perv learns to nod this head at the right moment, say ah yes doc I see what you mean ... I'm a naughty perv and what I did was oh so very wrong .... doc says ... cool I did a great job ... register at the perv hot line ... promise never to go near a innocent again and BAM ... he's back on the streets ... sure is ....in everyone's nice little civilized neighborhood .... oh he's on the perv radar, can't go near kids and all the other perv parameters .... but unless you keep him tied to a stake in the yard like the junk yard dog he is ... he'll be back only smarter about things ... he'll be on line with kiddie smut and then he'll start thinking again and remebering all those urges and how goood he felt with his little perv antics and next thing you know ... another child has lost their innocence ....

I am truely not a person who advocates the taking of a life just at any time but there are times when a rabid human needs to go.

Watch someone you love slowly die, rotting away with cancer slowly and you'll wish them a pain free, speedy death but our civilized society doesn't allow us to decide that we wish to die because the pain meds only make you go to sleep, the pain is still there you just sleep thru it ... until it's time for more pain meds ... so if we can have capital punishment for criminals why can't we have peaceful deaths for our loved ones? Because our civilized society isn't so civilized as you think ... instead of defending creeps that deserve to pay for their crimes why don't you put that same energy into defending those that choose to "go" (where ever "go" is). It's not difficult to defend the right to life ...... it's the right to death that we should examine ...

Sorry if I offend ... I'll get off my soap box for awhile ...

Yes thats the ticket. A person who has lowered themselves to the state of an animal needs to be put down like an animal. If not, like in the case of pedophiles, locked away and studied. I don't agree with the 'Great Scholars' that say a pedophile can not be cured... Maybe so... Maybe so... but perhaps the problem can be solved before it ever starts. I have my theories. Always HATED the word issue because it seems to me to be a more constant and consistent condition and if the Universe has anything to say... not all things are this way and human beings are far below to the exception to the rule.

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jaej: So, payment in kind then? What is this, Mesopotamia? Eye for an eye? Sorry, but we live in a 'civilized' society, and nothing merits the taking of another person's life.

Unless you could have a perfect, unbiased, completely objective person do the sentencing AND the execution, I don't think the system is fair. Hammurabi's Code is obsolete.

No payment in kind, no revenge, the understanding that these people have lowered themselves to the state of animal. Until we can find a phantom zone like Superman or a planet where we can let the things like pedophiles, rapists, murderers, and politicians loose to butcher themselves thats what I think needs to happen.

Radio_ZEK · 02-23-2007, 02:56 AM

Here's my view:
On 'severe crimes' such as rape or pre-meditated murder (not self-defense)

Only where a case can be proven without a doubt
Somewhere on the 3-5 times and you're out would be sufficient.
Depending on the crime, first solitary confinement (unable to decide the proper amount of time as I'm not a master in psychology and have no statistics). Second, off with a body part. Another body part. Another one. Off with the head. It seems that losing a body part would be stronger motivation for the subject to stay away from the crime than death itself. Instead of spending $30,000 a year for prison (Came from one of these channels and was for California TLC, Disc, Hist), spend it on an amputation doctor.

I'm all for prevention. If one is unable to control his or her behavior with what they have to work with, then there is no need for additional victims. Not so natural selection anyone?

Or we could just 'drug' up everyone (which sometimes seems to be the direction we are going towards) so they are nothing more than an emotionless and unproductive zombie.

I understand that this is not a complete plan or anything, but it is something that I have thought about and discussed with several people over the last few years. I'm not saying that it is half way close to perfect, but I do believe that it would be an improvement over the current system.

**The An-Jel** · 02-23-2007, 01:15 PM

maybe a frontal labotomy would work ZEK?

**debdodd** · 02-23-2007, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Radio_ZEK

Here's my view:
On 'severe crimes' such as rape or pre-meditated murder (not self-defense)

Only where a case can be proven without a doubt
Somewhere on the 3-5 times and you're out would be sufficient.
Depending on the crime, first solitary confinement (unable to decide the proper amount of time as I'm not a master in psychology and have no statistics). Second, off with a body part. Another body part. Another one. Off with the head. It seems that losing a body part would be stronger motivation for the subject to stay away from the crime than death itself. Instead of spending $30,000 a year for prison (Came from one of these channels and was for California TLC, Disc, Hist), spend it on an amputation doctor.

I'm all for prevention. If one is unable to control his or her behavior with what they have to work with, then there is no need for additional victims. Not so natural selection anyone?

Or we could just 'drug' up everyone (which sometimes seems to be the direction we are going towards) so they are nothing more than an emotionless and unproductive zombie.

I understand that this is not a complete plan or anything, but it is something that I have thought about and discussed with several people over the last few years. I'm not saying that it is half way close to perfect, but I do believe that it would be an improvement over the current system.

ZEKE, buddy, I don't want to drug them into a coma, contolling the behavior is the answer but then that opens up the whole who gets to decide what is normal behavior, where the line is, etc ... how then it becomes a "big brother" sci fi kinda' world ..... there have been studies on how some rapist and pedophiles have been "alledgedly cured". These "humans" are "chemically castrated" but even after that bit of fun tho' they can't "complete" the act .... they still continue to act on that missed impulse, that urge. It's such an addiction for them ... they know they shouldn't, can't or what ever but cannot stop their thoughts and eventually most act on them. Studies are saying that there is genetic indication that some are born gay, same as brown eyed, or Downs syndrome, or blond hair ... you get my drift ... the thing is ... in studing these people we have to have the "bait" in which to trigger this impulse behavior ... I'm sure there have been PET scans, which are these brain scans that show up what part of the brain is stimulated when exposed to something ie pics of little kids... one of those sexy smart guys out there can explain the whole neuron firing etc thing and how PET scans work .... I digress.... anyway to do a true study you can't just show them pictures of little kids ... you'd have to have the "real" thing to have a valid study .... limits the possibility of really studying them doesn't it? .. unless any of you have kids you'd like to volunteer ...nope? I've got an ex-step daughter that I would almost volunteer for the study. I called her 'Spawn of Satan' and "Demon Spawn", in her case the perve would have gotten the raw end of the deal .... I've worked in State Mental institutions before and I have seen some "true" crazy kids ... from "normal families" (what ever that is) .... a 14 year old boy who broke an orderly arm, 6 year olds boys and girls with just off the wall behavior ... I could go on but what I want to say is .... some are just what they are ... broken humans ... who will never be able to contribute to civilized society ... they can never be fixed with what knowledge we have now .... I'm sure a day wil come when that will change but for now ... keeping them locked up, medicated, spending all this money to control them in some manner seems to be a waste of money .... money that could be better spent on those that are starving or any of the other social problems we have. Am I saying just go ahead and exterminate them? Hell no!!! But these forgotten kids ... linger away in these "humane" jails with few getting visitors, it's to painful for the parents so after a while they stop visiting and then the true scum who are using up are resources living out the rest of their life in prison .... perhaps all I've seen is why I think the way I do and is where I've gotten my sense of what God? I sense we are on our own and there will be no one to come from the heavens to fix it for us. We will need to fix it our selves and the cost of fixing it will be difficult for many to embrace. There will come a day when someone has to decide these most difficult questions. Too many have prayed to God for so many centuries to help with human suffering ... guess you guys are getting a busy signal, huh?

I ask you all ..... when is it life and when is it living?

How many of you have said don't put me on a machine to keep me alive!!! Don't let me lay in a bed drooling on myself while someone else is wiping my butt and feeding me thru a tube .... where is the boundry between life and living?

onlinefreee · 03-07-2007, 12:20 AM

i agree with u