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Ya. You can be angry gesh, but that makes it harder to be happy.

jaej

I had no intention of causing any bad blood or reviving some horrible memories. If I did, forgive me.

And, all that said Gesh, wouldn't you be happier if you knew that the person/persons responsible for your horrible condition had something horrible happen in their life, something life-changing, just like you? Of course, nothing is more life-changing than death, but wouldn't you want them to remember how their life was before, and know the agony that you experienced? That doesn't happen with the death penalty, since I don't really believe in an after-life.

Edit: Exactly, omg

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Tonight I've read about the injustice of govt playing God in it's decisions to utilize capital punishment(thought God was not a real enity for agnostic), read about "next life" (what makes you so sure about next life?) .... I'll challenge any of you to go work in the medical field, in the inner city and see what I've seen and you can be sure that you will walk away from the experience with a sense of helplessness, rage and you to will feel burning hate and have flames of hell in your eyes ....look into an innocent child's eyes after some tragedy .... yeah, some do get over it but never without scars ... even if the scar appears as apathy towards the perp ... that is a coping mechanism and nothing more .... you did nothing to deserve what happened to you yet you have nothing to do with that person ... if so enlightened why not forgive them and move on and have them part of your life again .... I'll tell you why ... you don't forget what happened ... it may not be part of your everyday life but it's there ... in the corners of your mind, once again, you did nothing to warrent what happened ... why should that person be allowed a simple "oops, I'm sorry, my bad" sounds to Catholic to me, go into a box tell a priest of your sin, throw out a few hail Mary's and all's forgiven .... Like Gesh said BS!!!!

Geshtinnanna

No it doesn't. Anger for me, when approiate is a working emotion for me. It's good for me. Does this mean I carry it 24/7 and while out and while at work? No. Does this mean I am normal? No. Does this mean I don't enjoy my life? No. It means what it is. It's an appropriate emotion. I don't go stuffing emotions anymore for sake of being happy. Women get angry. Deal.

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jaej

I've never said that criminals shouldn't be punished for their henious crimes; what I have said is that I believe the taking of human life is wrong. I believe in justice just as much as you, but killing people, no matter what they have done, is not justice.

Edit: Well, I'm off to bed (laundry, actually). I truly enjoy this forum; it is actually intelligent, unlike most that I've been to. Later!!

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Gesh, for all their postulating on the vlaue of that creep's life and how he's capable of redemtion ... wouldn't you love to be there and watch him get what he deserves? I know if I got the chance, I would stand next to you for encouragment and support while he reaped what he sowed. Your anger is valid, along with your hate. You have a healthy perspective on it and don't listen to any of these others who haven't walked in your shoes. You don't carry your hate with you ... it's part of you now for better or worse ... you know how to let people into your personal space and how to quickly kick them out should they over step their bounds .. good for you! Self awareness is always the best.

Geshtinnanna

Thank you for understanding my point of view. I would be the first one with a sword in hand to make things even. I cannot give life. And so they shall not either. I call that pretty simple.

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Here is the deal for me at least: If a person takes another persons life for a selfish and needless reason then they have devolved themselves from the rest of humanity and have become an animal and a rabid animal at that. What does society do with rabid animals? They put them to sleep and irradicate this creature that while bearing a human form has rejected the rights of other humans to live and reduced itself to less than human. For their own sake as well as societys capital punishment is a necessity.

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jaej

So, payment in kind then? What is this, Mesopotamia? Eye for an eye? Sorry, but we live in a 'civilized' society, and nothing merits the taking of another person's life.

Unless you could have a perfect, unbiased, completely objective person do the sentencing AND the execution, I don't think the system is fair. Hammurabi's Code is obsolete.

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I have a problem with your view ... you see, in theory I agree with you ... in a civilized society we shouldn't have to resort to killing others but look around you ... you call this a civilized society? I would love to live in a Utopia of civilization but unfortunately not everyone cooperates and behaves "civil". If they behave like rabid animals then we should have the responsibility as civilized people to have them "put down" the same as a rabid dog. We don't want the rabid dog to bite anyone ... and I'm sure none of us want the rabid human to bite again either.

I'm sure you believe the rhetoric you spout so easily. But there are a few instances that the rabid human needs to be put down. Did you know that pedophiles can never be cured? It's true, google it if you don't believe me. They can never be cured only helped to control their behavior impusles ... the docs do a little Pavlovian work with them ... touch the kid ...zap ...think of the kid ... zap .... but ulitmately the perv learns to nod this head at the right moment, say ah yes doc I see what you mean ... I'm a naughty perv and what I did was oh so very wrong .... doc says ... cool I did a great job ... register at the perv hot line ... promise never to go near a innocent again and BAM ... he's back on the streets ... sure is ....in everyone's nice little civilized neighborhood .... oh he's on the perv radar, can't go near kids and all the other perv parameters .... but unless you keep him tied to a stake in the yard like the junk yard dog he is ... he'll be back only smarter about things ... he'll be on line with kiddie smut and then he'll start thinking again and remebering all those urges and how goood he felt with his little perv antics and next thing you know ... another child has lost their innocence ....

I am truely not a person who advocates the taking of a life just at any time but there are times when a rabid human needs to go. Watch someone you love slowly die, rotting away with cancer slowly and you'll wish them a pain free, speedy death but our civilized society doesn't allow us to decide that we wish to die because the pain meds only make you go to sleep, the pain is still there you just sleep thru it ... until it's time for more pain meds ... so if we can have capital punishment for criminals why can't we have peaceful deaths for our loved ones? Because our civilized society isn't so civilized as you think ... instead of defending creeps that deserve to pay for their crimes why don't you put that same energy into defending those that choose to "go" (where ever "go" is). It's not difficult to defend the right to life ...... it's the right to death that we should examine ...

Sorry if I offend ... I'll get off my soap box for awhile ...